I'm sick of hearing GLOBAL WARMING AGGHHH

[Studley 2436]

I don't think the world is going to ever heat up enough to melt the ice caps. Quite the opposite. The ice caps never get above zero degrees and never will. Therefore they can't melt. Only the outer fringes will melt.

But with the extra moisture sucked into the atmosphere due to warming there will be increaced snow fall and ice on the ice caps!

Killing the doomsayers idea of sea levels rising by some crazy amount.

Actually you can kill that one pretty fast.

Jug of water put a stack of ice cubes in it. Mark the level. Let the ice cubes melt. Level will be the same, because water expands as it freezes.

So the level might rise a little if the world warms and glaciers etc melt though I doubt it will be much. Ice caps melting will make no difference at all.

We are talking about a centimetre or two

Studley

[Grunt]

Any warming taking place has nothing to do with mankind. It seems the height of arrogance to me to assume that we did it and we have the power to change it.

Studley,

I think it is the arrogance of mankind to believe that we are somehow above nature and the biosphere and not part of it.

The science that mankind is the cause of climate change is overwhelming.

You should really have a read of this article at New Scientist.

[bitingmidge]

It's OK Grunt, we're saved!!

The G7 (or is it G8) boys have announced today that they are going to reduce greenhouse emissions by 50% .... by 2050!

Cheers,

P

[felixe]

I feel it is time to give an alternative view on this "global warming issue" therefore I have posted the following extract:

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.


This shows that it is mans interferance which has caused our climate change.
For the complete document, and how you can make a difference go to: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

I must thank Al for the original link, which awakened me to this "pirateless tradgedy!"

[Grunt]

Thanks Midge, that's a real relief. I think I'll get that Hummer now after all.

[Gra]

global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s.

but does that include the DVD pirates in china, etc???

[felixe]

I'm not sure, but I did see in the news that China is aiming to cut it's greenhouse emmisions and become a leader in renewable energy, so maybe it all evens out.

[Studley 2436]

Studley,

I think it is the arrogance of mankind to believe that we are somehow above nature and the biosphere and not part of it.

The science that mankind is the cause of climate change is overwhelming.

You should really have a read of this article at New Scientist.

*VBG* sorry Grunt there isn't actually any evidence at all. Just that the world is warming but as I said this started in 1800.

Lots of hysteria going around. I have not complaints against the discussion about living sensibly with consideration to the planet it's resources and how to maximise our future on it.

There is too much in the way of politics and hoopla with this whole thing. That's why we are building windfarms that are greenhouse gas emitters due the high capital that goes into them for minimal return. They only exist because governments fall over for the lobbyists.

We should go Nuclear here in SA not because it is Nuclear Electricity is cheaper than coal. Our coal is so cheap that will be hard to top. The reason SA should go nuclear is that we have so much of it and we should be selling it as high grade material rather than just dirt.

Studley

[Gra]

Thanks Midge, that's a real relief. I think I'll get that Hummer now after all.

just make sure you dress like a pirate when driving it

[Grunt]

I already do.

[bitingmidge]

I'm not sure, but I did see in the news that China is aiming to cut it's greenhouse emmisions and become a leader in renewable energy, so maybe it all evens out.

As I understand it, China is aiming to HALVE it's current rate of increase.

It's current rate of annual increase, apparently, is equal to Australia's total annual production!

P

[himzol]

Ok heres my view on it:

Global Warming is happening, I know this because politicians are telling me so

It's too late to do anything about it, why? because politicians know about it!
( you never miss your water until your dry) politicians doubly so.

So if your near the water wear your floaties to work.

H. ( who is not dry )

[ozwinner]

Heres some more Facts.

Al

[Honorary Bloke]

Since my air conditioning went kaput on Wednesday, I have noticed considerable global warming in my local area. Funny, I hadn't noticed it before.

I still remember as a youth hearing about the New Ice Age that was coming and there was nothing we could do to prevent it. Hah, I guess we showed them!

[BobL]

The Antarctic is a land mass with ice on it, if I'm not mistaken, and the Arctic is floating ice. So, if the Arctic ice melts, the seas will fall, not rise because water increases volume as it freezes and vice versa.

You forgot about greenland! It has kilometres of ice on it

Now, if the Antartic melts, that could be another story. The edge of it being ice, the same applies. But the ice on the land running back into the sea, well, who knows.

The ice volume change is insignificant compared to the expansion of the liquid water in the ocean from global warming. A lot of the arctic and antactic waters are at maximum liquid density, you only need a couple of degrees to expand the oceans to a point that make loss of the icecaps look like a beer fridge meltdown. Fortunately this will take a few hunderd years and I won't be here.