Putting toilet in small bathroom??

[silkwood]

What about the shower over the toilet....now that would be blissful

Been there, done that in Borneo. Not what I'd call blissfull .

Cheers,

Mark

[Mcblurter]

Thansk again everyone for the advice.
Bifold doors would certainly be useful to look at. We probably could squeeze it but would be a squeeze. I still like the idea of a vanity across the top wall, with a swing out toilet, swinging down towards right wall, just need to invent it!!! Might ask on the plumbing thread.
We are looking at the only other option which is to extend bathroom. We have a small area we can extend on the door side, into a hallway. If we do this and shift bath up then may have the space. Just working out whether the cost of shifting plumbing, tiling etc is worth it for an extra toilet. Will keep you posted.
Thanks again.
Mcblurter

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[seriph1]

I am the one who mentioned the bifolds - I still think you'd be wise to carefully consider them - the other option which appears quite possible by your drawings, is a cavity slider - it's work, but far less than extending

[Bob Willson]

My question is "Why would you want to have a toilet next to you when you are trying to bathe?"
I had a disagreement with my wife over this particular issue and she now says that she is soooo glad that she listened to me. Unusual that last bit.
If someone wants to use the toilet and another person is in the shower then a period of discomfort will ensue. On the other hand, if someone has just used the toilet and somone else wants to brush their teeth then a period of discomfort will ensue. All in all there is lots of discomfort ensuing about all over the place. PLUS it just don't seem hygenic!

[seriph1]

My question is "Why would you want to have a toilet next to you when you are trying to bathe?"

because this new inclusion will likely result in there being more than one toilet in the home, I imagine. This is always seen as a benefit - and after all, it is only us boys who smell bad



I for one am not a fan of dunnies in bathrooms, but recognize it is how many folks have their ensuites..... I guess that's what makes it an ensuite..... should be called an en-sour in my opinion.

I admit I will be putting an additional toilet in our en-suite, except that it will literally BE a suite....of rooms..... large walk-in-robe - bath room, with double vanity and shower and in between both of those areas, a dunny - in its own room down a short hall way and with door, appropriate ventilation and extraction.

My wife never wanted a dunny in our en-suite, but then she is Malaysian-Indian, with all that entails (entrails?) (contrails?)

It feels like curry tonight!

[Sturdee]

My question is "Why would you want to have a toilet next to you when you are trying to bathe?"

Both our bathrooms have a handbasin, toilet, bath and shower. No real problems IMO.


Peter.

[Bob Willson]

Both our bathrooms have a handbasin, toilet, bath and shower. No real problems IMO.Peter.

But, Peter, it is probably because you do indeed have a BOTH. What if you only had one off. Would the same dynamics still apply?

[seriph1]

I just did a few more mental calculations ..... with a bifold door opening against the wall, you have enough space for all you want to do. Also, as mentioned I believe, shifting the bath across the back wall you could put the toilet to the side of the door way, which is the preferred spot IMHO.

Finally, I ate my words and ventured down to Schots to see if they had become more customer focused. While they still need a huge amount of work in that area, I did see a couple of things that might be useful to you or others - they had dual flush loo's made from copper - cute'r than hell but importantly the cistern is tiny and mounted high on the wall, therefore helping keep the space requirements way down because the pan won't need to come far out from a wall. For that matter they had traditional high-set ones there too, made from timber. they were developed by Don Savidge of Schots and work extremely well, ONCE you put a restrictor in the flush pipe - otherwise you get a bath (and need one) each time you flush.

[Sturdee]

But, Peter, it is probably because you do indeed have a BOTH. What if you only had one off. Would the same dynamics still apply?

Bob, I think it would depend mainly on the number in the household, we only have 3, my daughter mainly uses her bathroom and we use the main one, but the other is always available and not too far apart.

On the other hand if with a large ( or smelly :eek: ) family it would be different.


Peter.

[Sturdee]

What about these fold down basins and toilets they used to have in the interstate trains of yesteryear.

Haven't seen them in ages but they may be a solution.


Peter.

[GraemeCook]

What about these fold down basins and toilets they used to have in the interstate trains of yesteryear. Peter.

But the railways dropped everthing on the train tracks. Hope the bathroom is not above the living room! Or the workshop!


Mcblurter, could you move the bath a little, reducing the shelf area, and then you would have room for a sliding door. Otherwise a folding door looks the only option.

When looking at no cistern/remote cistern/compact toilets then look carefully at the seat size. Colleague installed an ultra modern compact toilet where the seat is more compact than his backside!

Cheers

Graeme

[Bob Willson]

I can't seew hy the door can't open outwards.
If you replace the current (concrete) frame with an extended (timber) one, will this then overcome the problem?

[Mcblurter]

Hi all
Thanks again for all the discussion.
Looks like we would have to move the bath.
either up to remove the shelf but then also need to extend bottom wall, and put toilet at bottom end of bath, although still not much room.

Or move bath 90 degrees on top wall, put toilet in bottom left corner and sink on left wall.

All costly so really have to look at whether it is worth the cost for having an extra loo. They are after all two boys and my experience as a boy I think I everywhere but the toilet (we had a fantastic lemon tree, I also had 3 brothers!!!!!) I might invest in a few commode chairs or at least a potty or two!
cheers
Mcblurter

[Mcblurter]

Just revisiting this for those interested.
We've decided to put in a 320 x 320 sink next to the top end of the bath (top wall) no vanity, and place a toilet in between the sink and wall ( a space of about 700) will get the most compact toilet we can (around 330 x 650) so gives us about 185 each side. Isn't main toilet and three boys and one female (my wife is compact too!!) so shouldn't be an issue.
Builder is reluctant as is draftsman, both want a sink on the side wall, but for us it isn't convenient getting kids in and out of bath, also placement of cupboard (on top wall), mirror, door opening etc would need to be changed and also towel racks etc. Have thought long and hard, cut out life size sinks toilet out of cardboard and reckon it works. Builder is very approachable so will be our first disagreement so will be good to wee how we all handle it.
Then I just have to get him to put in hardwood floor instead of a floater, in the other part of the reno!!!!!!
Cheers
McBlurter

[bulldog]

Just a thought although by now you have started to make your plans more concrete, have you visited grizzly.com? I know this may sound strange but on their website under construct your dream shed you can put in the dimensions of your space and I think from memory it is under additional structures or the like and you can add in a bath and toilet etc. just to see how it much space would be left. (remember to convert to mm as the site is in inches, just call up an online conversion website) Also another alternative to the storage problem would be a storage centre over the toilet a google for storage ideas would probably let you see what I am refering to. (one that has sides that go to the floor and the storage cupboard above the cistern)
Hope this helps and doesn't throw your plans into jepordy.