Wire / timber combo balustrading

[MrsC]

We are sprucing up our front verandah. We have steel posts - 750mm (hold the roof up ones) and 400mm short ones. We are going to use a combination of the wire and timber as the all wire ones look very plain while the all timber ones will block our view. (Handrail - 2 wires then 3 timber)When we attach the wire to the posts, can we just use one long continuous piece to save on attachment pieces for each horizontal?

Any suggestions or other ideas would be greatly appreciated!!!

[UteMad]

Can't comment on your design or state regulations only to say that in NSW decks with a floor height of in excess of 900mm off the ground need to have the design pass regulation standards which yours sure doesn't sound like it does...

Maybe put in a sketch of your design because my understanding says it would be viewed as a ladder and fail

cheers utemad

[brynk]

gday missus-c
you can pass the wire through the posts to save on tensioners. just drill a hole clear through & feed your wire as you go - you can even turn corners if need be with some creative drilling. make the holes about 50% larger than the diameter of your steel-wire-rope. on the steel posts be sure to coat the drill-holes so they don't rust onto your stainless.
here's a bit of light reading for ya, from the 2005 b(uilding) c(ode) (of) a(ustralia)!
r's brynk
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Balustrades or other barriers

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[MrsC]

Hey Utemad,

I understand completely what you are saying, but I cannot believe that our design will fail because it could be used as a ladder... As far as we are concerned even if we did decide to go with all cable or even all timber couldn't they all be seen as ladders as well???? I think as long as we stick to the 120mm (or is it 125mm???depending on which site you read)distance between each horizontal I reckon we'll be right.


Thanks for the reply - you have given us more food for thought!!!!

I'll try and get a diagram up here for you all to have a look and see.