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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifleman1776 View Post
    I offer the opinion, you are probably better off keeping it that way with (presumed) imports than starting your own paper industry. Paper manufacture is an environmental nightmare.
    We used to have a paper manufacturing industry but it got uncompetitive. Modern mills are quite clean so its an industry we should encourage rather than just pulping old growth forests and shipping it to Asia for the value add bit. A sore point with me....
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    We just send all our woodchips (all from wonderful Aussie hardwoods!!) off shore then import the finished product.

    Good to hear that the kids are settling in.We need medicos by the boat load, so you'd better start gathering your "frequent flyer points", as, if he fits, he'll get offers he can't refuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56 View Post
    We used to have a paper manufacturing industry but it got uncompetitive. Modern mills are quite clean so its an industry we should encourage rather than
    we do. Australian Paper have two mills in Tasmania, Maryvale in Vic and Shoalhaven in NSW.

    How do I know? Apart from being in an industry where I spec paper stock from my clients, sometimes from Australian Paper you can also check it out here Australian Paper Home > About Us > Mills The Shoalhaven mill make some very beautiful paper stock.
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    The Maryvale mill used to make the whole Latrobe valley smell like they were boiling cabbages and dirty nappies in the same pot, and releasing caustic soda into the creek. Don't know if it's improved. They always used to threaten that if tighter controls were put on them, they'd shut the mill, and governments of both colours were too p!ssweak to call their bluff.
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    I don't know, but I'd think the mill would have cleaned their act up, but I'm only speculating. ,as I think a bit of paper comes out of there with FSC accreditation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldo View Post
    we do. Australian Paper have two mills in Tasmania, Maryvale in Vic and Shoalhaven in NSW.

    How do I know? Apart from being in an industry where I spec paper stock from my clients, sometimes from Australian Paper you can also check it out here Australian Paper Home > About Us > Mills The Shoalhaven mill make some very beautiful paper stock.
    Should have been a bit more clear Waldo. Most of the bond and a large number of the coated stocks we use in our place are imported. Most from Thailand and Indonesia. Unfortunately the Aussie stocks are expensive. Visy still run mills but they primarily make packaging boards. But 40 years ago Australia made its consumption, not any more....

    Part of the bluff on Maryvale was real. As far as I know they all the mills have ISO14001 nowadays. The EPA's forced them to.
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    I think why Walmart has not come down here as we do not have enough of the creatures that have a symbiotic relationship with the store

    Funny Pictures at WalMart

    Oh yes and we have stronger consumer laws here then the US...

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    I think why Walmart has not come down here as we do not have enough of the creatures that have a symbiotic relationship with the store

    Funny Pictures at WalMart

    Oh yes and we have stronger consumer laws here then the US...

    I can't comment on your consumer laws since I don't know the differences. But, Wal-Mart has successfully adopted to the laws of many countries. The problems they mostly encounter entail local customs.
    As for population, the forumla for success with Wal-Mart from it's beginning was to establish in small towns other large retailers ignored. Why they are not in Australia is a puzzlement to me. But, I'm willing to wager they have options on choice locations all over the country waiting for the day they make their move.

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    I hope that Walmart remains in the USA.
    Australia doesn't need another 'rip-off' store (treats wage earners like ####). Unfortunately, Australia has copied much of the American 'program'. If John Howard would have had his way, we would all be living like dogs & answering to shareholders for everything (just like the USA).

    Again & unfortunately, the USA disease is inundating Thailand. Everything is fast & high pressure. Quality means very little unless you are rich.
    Consumer Protection in Thailand is yet to be enforced (it does exist as law) but whilst American 'ideals' exist here, these laws go largely unanswered.

    My message is simple...'Walmart...stay in the USA & do not pollute any other countries'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elkangorito View Post
    I hope that Walmart remains in the USA.
    Australia doesn't need another 'rip-off' store (treats wage earners like ####). Unfortunately, Australia has copied much of the American 'program'. If John Howard would have had his way, we would all be living like dogs & answering to shareholders for everything (just like the USA).

    Again & unfortunately, the USA disease is inundating Thailand. Everything is fast & high pressure. Quality means very little unless you are rich.
    Consumer Protection in Thailand is yet to be enforced (it does exist as law) but whilst American 'ideals' exist here, these laws go largely unanswered.

    My message is simple...'Walmart...stay in the USA & do not pollute any other countries'.

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    Thread has gone way off topic......so it'll be closed.
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