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whats a good decent priced earth leakage clamp meter??

Started by wozzzzza, 6th March 2024 10:42 PM

0.1ma, clamp, decent, earth, expensive, increments, leakage, measure, meter, priced, recommend, reliable

Replies: 5
Views: 1,233

Last Post By:: Last Post: 10th March 2024 10:29 PM; by wozzzzza

Forum:
ELECTRICAL

Cut and emboss

Started by russ57, 20th April 2022 06:47 PM

calibur, captivity, crafts, cut, cutting, emboss, embossing, gday, gifted, grand, machine, mats, measure, missing, partners, plate, plates, polypropylene, red, rubber, size, spellbinders, thickness, thin, wife, wondering

Replies: 2
Views: 2,487

Last Post By:: Last Post: 20th April 2022 09:10 PM; by russ57

Forum:
HELP! "I've fallen and can't get up."

Are typical H3 pine pickets from Bunnings supposed to be trimmed?

Started by lemerv, 5th March 2022 08:29 AM

1500, 1510mm, 22mm, bit, bought, bunnings, cleaner, exact, fence, front, grain, i’m, length, measure, mitre, nice, nicer, notice, painted, pickets, pine, putting, question, rough, splintered, supposed, trim, trimmed, typical, wondering

Replies: 4
Views: 8,127

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th March 2022 08:49 AM; by lemerv

Forum:
FENCES & SCREENS

Union Organizers Dogs!

Started by Timless Timber, 15th January 2014 06:21 PM

beer, biscuits, blacksmith, blacksmiths, break, dog, dogs, door, ease, fast, fire, glasses, hot, impressed, iron, leans, leathery, measure, named, nurries, organizers, packet, perfect, rep, shiny, suitably, tea, union, wide, worker

Replies: 2
Views: 1,789

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th January 2014 02:07 PM; by HOOKED.UP

Forum:
JOKES

Hello

Started by oldrose, 9th January 2014 02:05 PM

basic, book/cd/dvd, built, buy, careful, complicated, custom, cut, expensive, forums, funds, job, joined, loss, measure, moving, odd, pine, projects, purchase, re-learn, real, skills, start, stuff, time, tools, wood, woods, workbench

Replies: 5
Views: 1,406

Last Post By:: Last Post: 9th January 2014 09:31 PM; by tdrumnut

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G'day mate - THE WELCOME WAGON -Introduce yourself

Setting out stirrups in concrete for a timber carport

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 7th May 2013 09:00 PM

120mm, 5.4, advice, carport, cemented, cheers, concrete, cut, depth, detailed, diameter, dimensions, finding, ground, hole, ideas, jeff, level, measure, melbourne, questions, read, renovateforum.com, renovating, set, stirrups, thread, timber, tips, tricks

Replies: 0
Views: 2,694

Last Post By:: Last Post: 7th May 2013 09:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Fittng castors to the base of cupboards...

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 2nd January 2013 02:50 PM

20mm, appreciated, aprox, base, brace, castor, castors, centre, cheers, corner, cupboard, cupboards, edge, holes, hope, length, lots, maz, measure, metric, pine, read, reno, renovateforum.com, screw, sense, solid, tape, thread, timber

Replies: 0
Views: 821

Last Post By:: Last Post: 2nd January 2013 02:50 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Sliding door wardrobe suppliers Melbourne

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 18th December 2012 11:30 AM

contacted, door, doors, measure, melbourne, mirror, read, recommend, renovateforum.com, sliding, stegbar, supplier/installer, suppliers, thread, wardrobe, wardrobes

Replies: 0
Views: 1,836

Last Post By:: Last Post: 18th December 2012 11:30 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

What sort of base would i put on an outside cupboard??

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 10th October 2012 07:10 PM

1470mm, 650mm, affected, base, bessa, blocks, build, cupboard, dryer, elements, exposed, feet, flooded, house, machine, measure, prevent, raise, read, renovateforum.com, row, sort, strong, thread, top, washing, water

Replies: 0
Views: 1,514

Last Post By:: Last Post: 10th October 2012 07:10 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

is this cheap laser ultrasonic measure tap any good??

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 1st October 2012 09:50 AM

cheap, cheapy, decent, distance, ebay, finder, found, half, laser, measure, meter, occassional, pointer, priced, range, read, recommend, renovateforum.com, tap, tape, thread, ultrasonic, worth

Replies: 0
Views: 1,194

Last Post By:: Last Post: 1st October 2012 09:50 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Looking for Peerless P17 compressor info

Started by Graziano, 27th September 2012 09:07 PM

compressor, diameter, drive, electric, identical, info, measure, minus, model, motor, p17, peerless, photo, pulley, scored

Replies: 0
Views: 1,699

Last Post By:: Last Post: 27th September 2012 09:07 PM; by Graziano

Forum:
FINISHING

Reading a 1200mm spirit level.

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 4th August 2012 03:40 PM

1/2, 1/4, 1200mm, bubble, fall, i.e, iphone, level, line, measure, people, read, reading, renovateforum.com, spirit, tapatalk, thread, wondering

Replies: 0
Views: 1,091

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th August 2012 03:40 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Hang the door (and the builder too!) (pics)

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 21st June 2012 07:30 PM

attached, body, builder, corporate, door, embark, existing, gap, gate, guess, holes, house, job, measure, painted, paling, palings, photo, press, read, renovateforum.com, replace, reply, solution, stuff, thread, thumbnails, unit, wet, wick

Replies: 0
Views: 1,310

Last Post By:: Last Post: 21st June 2012 07:30 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Procedure for hanging new solid wood door in steel frame???

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 25th April 2012 09:30 AM

10mm, 3-4mm, attached, bottom, cut, door, drill, fits, frame, gap, hanging, lock, measure, mount, outdoor, paint, procedure, read, refit, remove, renovateforum.com, reply, solid, squareness, steel, stuffed, suit, thread, thumbnails, wood

Replies: 0
Views: 1,955

Last Post By:: Last Post: 25th April 2012 09:30 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

spring balance for sash window

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 3rd April 2012 07:10 PM

balance, couple, drifter, gday, measure, plastic, read, renovateforum.com, reply, sash, spiral, spring, tape, thread, tube, type, wheels, window

Replies: 0
Views: 1,412

Last Post By:: Last Post: 3rd April 2012 07:10 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Quick lesson needed in Flashing windows

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 15th March 2012 10:30 AM

add, advised, aluminium, as-is, battened, battens, borer, cheap, clad, durable, fit, flashing, floor, lesson, measure, months, read, reasons, renovateforum.com, reply, rot, stand, substance, temporary, thread, trim, underneath, walls, weatherboards, windows

Replies: 0
Views: 1,385

Last Post By:: Last Post: 15th March 2012 10:30 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Designing a verandah

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 20th February 2012 05:40 PM

170mm, 4.5, address, build, challenge, detail, domestic, fixed, front, half, heritage, house, ledger, local, measure, metres, ornamental, permission, planning, proposed, sheds, similar, space, store, timber, toplight, veranda, verandah, wall, weatherboard

Replies: 0
Views: 1,489

Last Post By:: Last Post: 20th February 2012 05:40 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Pre-hung door gotchas?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 18th February 2012 06:50 AM

advance, advice, casing, dimensions, door, door/transom, existing, fitting, flickr, jacob, jamb, measure, pre-hung, pretty, pry, read, renovateforum.com, renovations, replace, reply, rough, set, shelf, special, spot, thread, tight, top, transom, window

Replies: 0
Views: 1,536

Last Post By:: Last Post: 18th February 2012 06:50 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Fitting an internal door frame

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 11th February 2012 12:00 AM

assume, b&q, bathroom, bearing, buy, door, experience, fitting, frame, frames, help/tips, intend, internal, limited, lintel, load, measure, plan, plasterboard, read, renovateforum.com, reply, required, safety, sorts, stud, suggested, thread, wall, walls

Replies: 0
Views: 2,328

Last Post By:: Last Post: 11th February 2012 12:00 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Forum Mugs WIP!

Started by tea lady, 22nd February 2011 09:48 PM

7 Pages •: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

400, anymore, clay, cool, cos, debated, dunno, finished, forum, grams, handles, measure, mug, mugs, pics, posting, shrink, shrug, size, thread, threw, till, tomorrow, wait, weekend, wip

Replies: 100
Views: 10,943

Last Post By:: Last Post: 1st June 2011 12:53 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RENOVATION

acrylic panes

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 19th January 2011 07:00 PM

acrylic, car, cut, double, drive, exact, glased, guys, health, measure, melbourne, ohh, online, panes, read, renovateforum.com, reply, sell, send, thread, windows

Replies: 0
Views: 1,253

Last Post By:: Last Post: 19th January 2011 07:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

solid/commercial doors

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 22nd December 2010 10:10 PM

2tsup, advice, commcercial, company, cut, doors, factory, frames, guys, half, hey, measure, meet, odd, office, preferably, read, renovateforum.com, rep, reply, roughly, send, site, sizes, solid, solid/commercial, suit, thread, timber, varying

Replies: 0
Views: 1,775

Last Post By:: Last Post: 22nd December 2010 10:10 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

The Four Cats

Started by Rodgera, 12th August 2010 12:27 AM

accountant, agreed, ate, bragging, called, cat, cats, chemist, claimed, coffeebreak, cookies, drank, employee, engineer, feet, glass, government, injured, jumped, leave, measure, milk, paper, pretty, report, screwed, smart, spreadsheet, stuff, t-square

Replies: 0
Views: 1,222

Last Post By:: Last Post: 12th August 2010 12:27 AM; by Rodgera

Forum:
JOKES

Questions about flashings

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 21st July 2010 11:40 AM

angle, babies, child, colourbond, due, fail, fill, flashing, gap, gaps, gear, grateful, guide, house, laserlite, manually, matter, measure, method, mick, pergola, questions, read, renovateforum.com, response, safe, screw, spot, stop, thread

Replies: 0
Views: 1,134

Last Post By:: Last Post: 21st July 2010 11:40 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Some advice if you're thinking of replacing windows...

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 8th May 2010 10:30 AM

40mm, advice, aluminium, bigger, brick, construction, ecoclassics, energy, fit, frame, home, inside, inside~, means, measure, offset, pvc, rating, read, renovateforum.com, replacement, replacing, reveal, size, snugly, studs, thinking, timber, window, windows

Replies: 0
Views: 1,897

Last Post By:: Last Post: 8th May 2010 10:30 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

What's Watt - Energy Efficiency and U Values

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 4th May 2010 05:20 PM

50%, bill, comfort, comfortable, cooling, day, designed, double, energy, gas, glazed, glazing, heat, heating, home, insulated, loss, maintain, measure, metre, poorly, single, square, temperature, values, watt, watts, window, windows, window’s

Replies: 0
Views: 1,525

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th May 2010 05:20 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

G'day from Tweed..need a genius..

Started by aussie11, 10th March 2010 03:08 PM

aluminium, apparent, aussie, check, covers, cut, double, due, gday, genius, giant, head, holder, material, measure, metre, metres, piece, pieces, roll, sewing, square, steel, straight, suggestions, tweed, tweedneed, weight, wide, workshop

Replies: 10
Views: 1,616

Last Post By:: Last Post: 21st March 2010 10:19 PM; by chipped

Forum:
G'day mate - THE WELCOME WAGON -Introduce yourself

Incredible Tape Measure Tricks

Started by RedShirtGuy, 21st January 2010 02:08 AM

broadcast, clapclapclap, crack, incredible, measure, measures, tape, time, tricks, youtube-

Replies: 6
Views: 1,512

Last Post By:: Last Post: 23rd January 2010 08:13 AM; by Andrew_B

Forum:
NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RENOVATION

What would you do regarding this window & cladding issue?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 7th November 2009 11:40 PM

10m, 20%, agreed, cladding, day, extra, flashing, flashings, frame, house, inside, install, installed, installer, issue, job, line, measure, original, owner, paid, refused, reveal, soffits, supplier, suppliers, waterproofing, weeks, window, windows

Replies: 0
Views: 1,964

Last Post By:: Last Post: 7th November 2009 11:40 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Painting inside slots

Started by Dengue, 26th October 2009 04:42 PM

10mm, 18mm, 200mm, dengue, ideas, inside, interior, mdf, measure, paint, painting, piece, series, slots, suggestions, surface, thick, ventilation

Replies: 3
Views: 1,168

Last Post By:: Last Post: 31st October 2009 08:03 PM; by soundman

Forum:
FINISHING

Queensland Government at work.

Started by Gingermick, 6th October 2009 04:33 PM

$100, $1000, $300, $400, contractor, crew, fence, figure, fix, government, guy, hire, incredulous, ipswich, job, kenmore, leans, logan, materials, measure, measuring, official, parliament, profit, queensland, replied, style, whispers, work

Replies: 2
Views: 1,034

Last Post By:: Last Post: 6th October 2009 05:42 PM; by wheelinround

Forum:
JOKES

Happy birthday AlexS!

Started by Waldo, 12th August 2009 09:28 PM

2tsup, ago, alex, alexs, beaut, behold, birthday, bloke, day, follow, happy, hope, hydrographer, low, mate, measure, shed, stage, time, water

Replies: 8
Views: 1,140

Last Post By:: Last Post: 14th August 2009 10:50 AM; by artme

Forum:
Hatches, Matches & Dispatches. Birthday greetings and other Touchie-feelie stuff.

Min Angle for Tiled Roof?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 7th August 2009 04:00 PM

1950s, angle, answer, assuming, built, cheers, easiest, easy, hoping, idea, imagine, measure, min, minimums, pitch, read, renovateforum.com, roof, shallow, thread, tiled, weatherboard

Replies: 0
Views: 1,286

Last Post By:: Last Post: 7th August 2009 04:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Pitched Pergola design choice- truss or suppoted ridge beam?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 5th August 2009 12:50 AM

2tsup, advantages, appreciated, beam, bit, bolt, constructed, daunting, design, disadvantages, due, experience, fabrication, frame, leaning, measure, method, methods, pergola, pitched, rafters, read, renovateforum.com, ridge, roof, situ, supported, thread, truss, wall

Replies: 0
Views: 3,855

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th August 2009 12:50 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

So obvious when you think about it

Started by FXST01, 5th May 2008 08:09 PM

2 Pages •: 1 2

bent, identical, jobs, magazines, measure, measures, obvious, project, reading, tape, tip, tips, woodworking

Replies: 27
Views: 7,906

Last Post By:: Last Post: 31st July 2009 12:28 AM; by len07

Forum:
HINTS & TIPS

Long cornice runs - 10 metre

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 18th June 2009 01:50 AM

75mm, chalk, cornice, correct, line, measure, method, metre, ping, plan, read, renovateforum.com, runs, thread, wondering

Replies: 0
Views: 1,375

Last Post By:: Last Post: 18th June 2009 01:50 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

how to tell the thread of a bolt.

Started by weisyboy, 23rd May 2009 09:41 PM

11mm, 8mm, bolt, diamiter, finding, fits, form, hardware, head, imperail, mater, measure, measurements, metric, planining, spindle, thread, threads, wheather

Replies: 8
Views: 2,437

Last Post By:: Last Post: 28th May 2009 12:00 PM; by Johncs

Forum:
NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RENOVATION

Laminate kitchen benchtop question

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 15th May 2009 03:00 PM

benchtop, bother, brisbane, clontarf, diamongloss, driving, finding, granite, install, kitchen, laminate, laminex, located, measure, northside, question, range, read, recommend, renovateforum.com, required, simply, sink, thread, troubles, underbench, warner, words, worth, yeah

Replies: 0
Views: 1,709

Last Post By:: Last Post: 15th May 2009 03:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

Help needed with shed construction

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 17th April 2009 06:50 PM

1.95m, 3.3m, alf, bought, column, columns, complicated, construction, contructed, cut, frame, frames, guide, handi-heritage, height, installation, issue, level, measure, panel, putting, renovateforum.com, shed, shoulder, slab, stratco, thread, top, wall, [/url]

Replies: 0
Views: 1,788

Last Post By:: Last Post: 17th April 2009 06:50 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
THE GARDEN SHED

Cantilever balcony joist size

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 3rd April 2009 08:20 PM

200x50, 5500wx1000d, aluminium, balcony, ben, cantilever, ceiling, corugated, existing, floor, hardwood, iron, joists, lace, looked, measure, oregon, panels, pine, plywood, prefer, railing, renovateforum.com, roof, size, spacing, support, timber, treated, visible

Replies: 0
Views: 2,738

Last Post By:: Last Post: 3rd April 2009 08:20 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Government contracts

Started by bullfright, 24th February 2009 03:20 AM

$100, $1000, $2700, $300, $400, canberra, contracting, contractor, contractors, contracts, crew, fence, figure, fix, friends, government, guy, guys, incredulous, job, leans, materials, measure, measuring, melbourne, official, profit, replies, sydney, whispers

Replies: 0
Views: 998

Last Post By:: Last Post: 24th February 2009 03:20 AM; by bullfright

Forum:
JOKES

Want to enclose my carport but need help...

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 19th February 2009 12:20 PM

2.2m, brick, build, carport, cement, clean, easy, economical, enclose, future, joins, measure, openings, options, permanent, permission, planning, read, rendered, renovateforum.com, sheeting, sort, structure, stud, thread, wall

Replies: 0
Views: 5,897

Last Post By:: Last Post: 19th February 2009 12:20 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Bathroom vanity in narrow space

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 4th January 2009 10:50 PM

2.5cm, 3cm, absolute, advice, amateur, bend, bottom, brad, cut, deal, floor, front, gap, gratefully, ground, keeping, lady, level, low, measure, raise, read, received, renovateforum.com, scale, space, thread, tiles, vanity, wall

Replies: 0
Views: 1,989

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th January 2009 10:50 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

New i Products

Started by Gingermick, 4th January 2009 12:52 PM

attached, bbq, bottle, calls, company, connection, day, farm, fathers, gas, house, ibbq, ideas, iproducts, ivan, low, main, measure, product, products, putting, telly, thinking, wondering

Replies: 0
Views: 1,104

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th January 2009 12:52 PM; by Gingermick

Forum:
NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RENOVATION

The Perfect Man !

Started by gawdelpus, 2nd December 2008 11:34 PM

amazing, avoid, blacks, cabbie, catches, change, feel, feldman, fellow, frank, fuse, guy, jams, man, measure, meet, mistake, passenger, perfect, quickest, street, stuck, subject, taxi, time, traffic, treat, walks, woman, wow

Replies: 1
Views: 1,336

Last Post By:: Last Post: 2nd December 2008 11:43 PM; by dennford

Forum:
JOKES

shed doors

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:21 AM

0.015mm, 2.200, 3.0x, appreciated, approx, building, corner, difference, doors, gap, hung, ideas, leaving, measure, middle, pair, piece, redheeler, shed, wondering

Replies: 0
Views: 986

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:21 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

How to measure up for a new window

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:21 AM

6-7, 60s, ago, aluminium, built, fibro, hard, helped, house, measure, memory, net, remember, replace, similar, slide, suggestions, sytle, timber, window, windows, windows.i

Replies: 0
Views: 1,291

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:21 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Calculating roof pitch, rise for trusses

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:21 AM

189mm, 3.3, 6.6, 625mm, 720mm, accurate, assume, bottom, calculate, chord, cord, current, divide, equals, establish, extension, house, measure, metre, metres, minus, pitch, planning, rise, roof, run, top, truss, trusses, underside

Replies: 0
Views: 6,916

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:21 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

kitchen benchtop

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:18 AM

3055, benchtop, cabinets, company, custom, durable, finish, goodday, heard, ikea, inexpensive, kitchen, laminate, market, material, measure, planning, recommendation, renov, sort, spend, splashback, stone, tiling, timber, vic

Replies: 0
Views: 2,220

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:18 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

how do you measure wire thickness? e.g. 2.5mm etc..

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:10 AM

2.5mm, 8mm, building, correct, determined, e.g, earth, electrical, figure, measure, store, thickness, twin, walk, wire, workout

Replies: 0
Views: 1,372

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:10 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, COOLING, etc

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