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New garden tap install. Will this work? Picture included

Started by dan76n, 29th January 2024 11:31 PM

1/2, 19mm, 3/4, accommodate, brick, copper, create, distance, drilled, external, fittings, garden, house, idea, inch, install, issues, mate, meter, nut, nylon, olive, pip, pipe, running, straight, tap, tee, tightens, wall

Replies: 13
Views: 2,463

Last Post By:: Last Post: 3rd February 2024 09:14 PM; by wozzzzza

Forum:
PLUMBING

Zhen Knife Blanks

Started by Bushmiller, 19th January 2013 09:50 PM

blanks, chose, cut, disc, drilled, glue, glued, handle, handles, hardened, head, initially, knife, knives, masking, recommendations, rivet, rivets, sanding, santoku, scale, shaping, sharp, steel, suit, supplied, tape, timber, water, zhen

Replies: 8
Views: 9,941

Last Post By:: Last Post: 17th September 2013 08:18 PM; by Trav

Forum:
PRODUCT REVIEWS

What Tool Is That!

Started by Black Ned, 4th September 2013 03:42 PM

assume, bend, bending, clean-up, council, curved, depressions, drilled, fence, found, inside, main, metal, ned, offset, road, roller, tool

Replies: 3
Views: 1,672

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th September 2013 05:43 AM; by underfoot

Forum:
NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RENOVATION

Question about Builders quotes provided???

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 27th March 2013 06:00 PM

200, attached, beam, blocks, brackets, ceiling, cut, drilled, existing, external, f14, hanging, inline, joists, load, nailed, pfc, pitch, plates, question, quotes, removed, roof, spanning, steel, supporting, ties, top, uni, wall

Replies: 0
Views: 1,730

Last Post By:: Last Post: 27th March 2013 06:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Drilled Holes in New Shed Roof

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 11th March 2013 07:50 PM

damaged, diameter, drilled, elegant, ensuring, facilitate, fastening, fell, glenn, helping, hiding, holes, location, pop, pre-drilled, read, renovateforum.com, repair, rivet, roof, roofing, shed, sheeting, silicone, sons, thread, walked, walls, watertight, zincalume

Replies: 0
Views: 1,977

Last Post By:: Last Post: 11th March 2013 07:50 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
THE GARDEN SHED

Problem taking off old 70s aluminium sliding door for wheel replacement

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 25th February 2013 02:00 AM

70s, aluminium, attached, bit, bottom, captive, door, drilled, guys, holding, insight, locator, pic, piece, rail, read, removed, renovateforum.com, replacement, reply, shot, sliding, stuck, taking, thread, thumbnails, top, track, wheel, wheels

Replies: 0
Views: 1,373

Last Post By:: Last Post: 25th February 2013 02:00 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Extended striker plate for cracked/rotted timber?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 5th January 2013 08:40 PM

build, cracked/rotted, drilled, extended, found, frame, gaps, germany, holes, knowledge, larger, latch, mechanism, mounting, obtain, off-course, plate, plates, purpose, read, remove, renovateforum.com, reply, screws, specifically, stage, striker, thread, timber, time

Replies: 0
Views: 1,556

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th January 2013 08:40 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Supporting post

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 9th November 2012 02:40 PM

affect, base, centre, corporation, covers, drilled, feed, footing, found, front, heard, integrity, metal, owners, porch, post, posts, read, renovateforum.com, roof, rot, running, stirrup, structural, supporting, thread, townhouse, wondering, wood

Replies: 0
Views: 1,012

Last Post By:: Last Post: 9th November 2012 02:40 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

yeah yeah yeah!!

Started by Shedhand, 3rd October 2012 09:30 PM

@#$%^&@n, base, bit, bleed, bloody, catholic, damn, days, drilled, fat, hand, head, hole, hurt, muscle, oath, palm, philips, pope, stupid, thumb, tools, yeah

Replies: 4
Views: 1,523

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th October 2012 10:40 AM; by Shedhand

Forum:
SAFETY

What size self tapper for a 1/4 inch hole

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 20th September 2012 09:20 AM

1/4, 1/4inch, black-hole, drilled, fell, ford, gauge, hole, inch, lost, pita, read, renovateforum.com, rusted, shed, size, tapper, tappers, thread, usable, ute

Replies: 0
Views: 1,180

Last Post By:: Last Post: 20th September 2012 09:20 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Morris Chair Restoration

Started by Rice701, 14th June 2012 12:13 PM

4.will, alright, broken, chair, dowels, drilled, epoxy, falling, finish, finished, glue, grips, holes, joints, keeping, morris, original, pictures, previous, project, re-glue, recently, remained, removed, restoration, restored, slowly, sound, type, vice

Replies: 4
Views: 2,831

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th August 2012 08:24 PM; by Antipodes

Forum:
RESTORATION

coffee table finish that has decorations in it.

Started by maldotcolm, 12th November 2010 01:12 AM

bit, chiselled, coffee, confirm, corner, decorations, drilled, epoxy, fill, finish, happy, hardware, mementos, mentioned, option, paper, person, photo, photogragh, reading, resin, routered, ruin, shapes, shrine/memory, store, suggestions, table, table/preserve, top

Replies: 6
Views: 1,851

Last Post By:: Last Post: 13th November 2010 12:33 AM; by Master Splinter

Forum:
FINISHING

Drilling through the thickness of LVL, allowed ?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 16th June 2010 01:40 AM

20mm, 3x90x37, beam, bearers, booker, builder, centre, correctly, cypress, drilled, fixed, floor, hole, installed, lapped, looked, lvl, pic, pine, plate, read, rod, shown, straps, studs, thickness, thread, threaded, top, tying

Replies: 0
Views: 1,920

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th June 2010 01:40 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Fix drill hole in zincalume

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 10th February 2010 08:10 PM

3mm, boys, cheers, correct, drill, drilled, dutch, finger, fitted, fix, hey, hole, lcry, method, patching, pop, read, renovateforum.com, rivet, roof, screw, silastic, size, spot, tech, thread, wide, wrong, zincalume

Replies: 0
Views: 2,443

Last Post By:: Last Post: 10th February 2010 08:10 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Drilling into tiled walls - tips

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 5th October 2009 02:50 PM

advice, beautiful, cheers, crack, drilled, drilling, embark, ensuite, finishing, including, kate, newly, planning, rails, read, renovateforum.com, renovation, thread, tiled, tiles, tips, touches, towel, tricks, walls, weekend, wondering

Replies: 0
Views: 1,608

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th October 2009 02:50 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

Suspended ceiling and bulkhead questions

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 20th May 2009 05:00 PM

attach, attaching, board, bottom, bulkhead, butt, cabinets, ceiling, channel, clips, concrete, directly, drilled, flat, furring, hope, join, post, questions, read, rondo, run, sheet, site, space, sparky, track, wall, walls, wires

Replies: 0
Views: 4,624

Last Post By:: Last Post: 20th May 2009 05:00 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

diamond concrete core drill

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 16th May 2009 07:30 PM

$159, $79, 150mm, ago, bunnings, cheap, cheers, concrete, core, deep, diamond, drill, drilled, fence, found, guys, hammer, hey, hole, holes, minutes, ozito, pretty, pulse, read, renovateforum.com, retaining, similar, thread, wall

Replies: 0
Views: 2,000

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th May 2009 07:30 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Timber anchors

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 8th May 2009 03:50 AM

125, 500, adjusted, amount, anchor, anchors, base, bearers, bit, bolt, concrete, confirm, deck, drilled, expect, floor, hole, http://www.pryda.com.au, job, load, metres, post, project, pryda, raised, read, site, thread, web, weight

Replies: 0
Views: 4,083

Last Post By:: Last Post: 8th May 2009 03:50 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

Easter long week-end project - backyard deck

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 22nd April 2009 02:00 AM

45mm, 90mm, 90x19, bearer, bearers, bit, bolt-down, bolted, cleared, concreted, day, deck, decking, drilled, height, holes, joist, joists, level, merbau, pine, post, pryda, remaining, result, spacing, stirrup, stirrups, treated, week-end

Replies: 0
Views: 14,294

Last Post By:: Last Post: 22nd April 2009 02:00 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
RENOVATE FORUM RSS FEED

Oland Tools

Started by Pat, 13th April 2009 12:16 PM

Replies: 0
Views: 2,177

Last Post By:: Last Post: 13th April 2009 12:16 PM; by Pat

Forum:
PRODUCT REVIEWS

Goodbye granddad

Started by fenderbelly, 22nd February 2009 10:37 AM

Replies: 4
Views: 1,351

Last Post By:: Last Post: 23rd February 2009 05:13 PM; by Allan at Wallan

Forum:
JOKES

How close can drilled holes be?

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 7th February 2009 11:10 PM

2xrg6, 4xcat6, affecting, beam/joist, cables, cat6, close, coax, compared, distance, drilled, holds, hole, holes, integrity, joist/beam, minimum, outlet, plan, read, renovateforum.com, roof, run, running, similarily, specifies, structural, thread, wall, width

Replies: 0
Views: 1,531

Last Post By:: Last Post: 7th February 2009 11:10 PM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, COOLING, etc

Holes in beam

Started by Reno RSS Feed, 5th February 2009 10:30 AM

24mm, 300mm, approx, attached, attention, beam, bolt, concerned, depth, drilled, holes, length, metre, pay, pictures, read, renovateforum.com, requirements, roof, safely, strut, supporting, thread, thumbnails, vertical, vertically, wall, weaken, weakening, width

Replies: 0
Views: 1,228

Last Post By:: Last Post: 5th February 2009 10:30 AM; by Reno RSS Feed

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Your contingency

Started by rgum, 25th January 2009 11:01 AM

2 Pages •: 1 2

1st, attention, car, caught, contingency, cut, dial, drilled, drive, driven, eye, finger, fortunately, hand, home, horribly, house, keys, knicked, leg, lucid, neighbours, ooo, recently, schrapnel, seek, shocked, sliced, timber, whisked

Replies: 23
Views: 3,280

Last Post By:: Last Post: 26th January 2009 08:47 PM; by Tex B

Forum:
SAFETY

Core Drill Post Adhesive

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:18 AM

100mm, 150mm, 25mm, 50x50, adhesive, amount, bottom, chemset, core, deep, drill, drilled, ensure, fill, gate, glass, hang, hole, install, post, rest, set, single, square, stainless, steadily, strong, tube, views, wasted

Replies: 0
Views: 1,351

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:18 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
BRICKWORK, CONCRETING, PAVING, RENDERING, etc

Crooked Combinations...

Started by ubeaut, 16th November 2008 07:10 AM

angle, bonnets, brick, ceramic-disc, chrome, combinations, covers, crooked, drilled, horizontal, ideas, late, life, mortar, move, noticeably, perpendicular, pipes, plumber, screw, set, situations, straighten, stubs, tap, taps, tiles, trouble, upwards, walls

Replies: 0
Views: 1,531

Last Post By:: Last Post: 16th November 2008 07:10 AM; by ubeaut

Forum:
PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, COOLING, etc

Floor boards

Started by Bluegum, 26th March 2008 08:30 PM

1974, 300mm, bit, boards, deal, discover, drain, drilled, easter, flood, floods, floor, floors, found, hole, holes, home, house, intersting, mark, plug, pulled, renovating, roof, sons, subsided, tidal, water, weekend, wet

Replies: 4
Views: 2,065

Last Post By:: Last Post: 12th April 2008 10:14 PM; by Connollys

Forum:
FLOORING

Barrell bolt question

Started by Spencer74, 4th February 2008 10:16 PM

barrell, bolt, built, called, centre, closed, deck, drilled, finished, fit, fited, gate, hole, house, into/around, moment, nipper, perpendicular, question, raw, slided, slides, stop, wall

Replies: 3
Views: 1,285

Last Post By:: Last Post: 10th April 2008 12:12 AM; by rumplestiltskin

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Attaching shower screen

Started by Tiger, 4th April 2008 03:30 PM

alternatives, attach, attaching, bathroom, break, call, drilled, drilling, frameless, holes, instructions, plugs, screen, shower, silicon, tiles

Replies: 9
Views: 2,872

Last Post By:: Last Post: 7th April 2008 02:17 PM; by Tiger

Forum:
BATHROOM & TOILET

nailgun for kwila

Started by dub3media, 23rd March 2008 09:33 AM

deck, drilled, finishing, guns, kwila, nailgun, nailing, paslode, pre, wether, wondering

Replies: 8
Views: 2,866

Last Post By:: Last Post: 28th March 2008 07:55 PM; by UteMad

Forum:
FLOORING, DECKING, STUMPS, etc.

waste pipe issue

Started by chessp, 21st February 2008 12:05 PM

100mm, advise, approx, assuming, branch, decking, dig, dilemma, drains, drilled, guttering, holes, issue, option, pipe, pvc, replace, replacement, ripped, storm, subsequently, takes, tank, underground, waste, water

Replies: 8
Views: 1,926

Last Post By:: Last Post: 25th February 2008 09:30 AM; by chessp

Forum:
PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, COOLING, etc

Epoxy putty

Started by Learner, 23rd February 2008 12:10 AM

5-10, approved, contact, cut, day, drilled, drinking, epoxy, fast, filed, hand, handy, hardens, ideal, kneadable, machined, minutes, mixing, packaged, painted, putty, repairing, require, rest, roll, save, screwed, setting, versatile, water

Replies: 9
Views: 2,674

Last Post By:: Last Post: 24th February 2008 11:27 PM; by Cliff Rogers

Forum:
GENERAL ODDS N SODS

Wall Fasteners Question

Started by RedRaven, 14th January 2008 05:48 PM

2tsup, action, cabinet, doh, drier, drilled, enjoying, fasteners, fine, hammer, heavy, hole, home, intended, kilos, larger, learner, local, metho, odds, paper, plenty, plugs, question, removing, screwed, tumble, wall, water, wonky/much

Replies: 8
Views: 3,391

Last Post By:: Last Post: 14th January 2008 08:06 PM; by Burnsy

Forum:
KITCHENS, BATHROOMS, THEATRES, etc

Polycarbonate skylights

Started by Hamish Lonsdale, 22nd November 2007 09:05 PM

10x, checked, contracts, drilled, expands, fibreglass, fixing, gal, holes, larger, mistake, movement, panels, polycarbonate, questions, replacing, roofing, screw, screws, sealing, self-tapping, significantly, skylights, supplier, technology, temperature, terrible, transparent, washer, workshop

Replies: 4
Views: 1,924

Last Post By:: Last Post: 23rd November 2007 11:35 PM; by pawnhead

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

Who do I need - a Plumber or a Builder?

Started by bsrlee, 21st September 2007 02:22 AM

aid, bed, bit, break, builder, builders, channel, concrete, cut, drain, drilled, garage, gentlemen, hammer, holes, job, joints, leaving, markup, mix, paying, pipe, plumber, plumbers, ring, run, runs, sections, thinner, tradie

Replies: 8
Views: 2,220

Last Post By:: Last Post: 23rd September 2007 09:12 PM; by pawnhead

Forum:
BRICKWORK, CONCRETING, PAVING, RENDERING, etc

Installing a new dampcourse

Started by john9996, 6th July 2007 07:45 PM

chemical, cream, dampcourse, drilled, feed, fix, gravity, hand, holes, house, injection, installing, left, liquid, machine, method, pressure, proposing, pump, pumped, silicone, systems, terrace, treatment, tubes, wall, walls

Replies: 3
Views: 1,501

Last Post By:: Last Post: 8th July 2007 12:24 AM; by eemgee

Forum:
STRUCTURAL RENOVATION, ROOFING, DEMOLITION, etc

the Festool that ate my finger

Started by Shedhand, 20th December 2006 09:39 AM

2 Pages •: 1 2

1st, aid, ate, attack, awful, blood, bloody, carcasses, covered, drilled, drove, dug, festool, finger, floor, god, grass, heart, hed, hospital, init, jinxed, kit, lovely, mess, nice, oak, rest, sprayed, white

Replies: 15
Views: 4,154

Last Post By:: Last Post: 22nd June 2007 02:13 AM; by Shedhand

Forum:
SAFETY

Drilling into cement render

Started by Novice_79, 15th June 2007 06:17 PM

6mm, ability, advance, architraves, blinds, bracket, cement, created, drill, drilled, drilling, due, hole, holes, install, loss, masonry, mount, novice, pattern, poster, render, screw, screws, size, step, test, time, wall, wooden

Replies: 11
Views: 3,781

Last Post By:: Last Post: 20th June 2007 03:56 PM; by Novice_79

Forum:
RENDERING

stair handrails

Started by mic-d, 4th March 2007 06:25 PM

angle, bevel, bit, bottom, correct, distance, dowels, drill, drilled, drop, handrails, hole, inspire, jig, level, methods, paranoid, photo, plumb, posts, rail, rails, result, set, sliding, spacing, spirit, stair, stringers, top

Replies: 2
Views: 3,224

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th March 2007 06:55 PM; by Gumby

Forum:
FLOORING, DECKING, STUMPS, etc.

Security for the elderly

Started by Bob38S, 22nd February 2007 11:45 AM

2 Pages •: 1 2

bolt, bottom, centre, comfortable, conversation, door, doors, drilled, easily, elderly, engage, feet, floor, foot, height, hole, house, lock, locks, luck, pad, pin, release, retain, retractable, search, security, stability, stop, suggestions

Replies: 17
Views: 3,474

Last Post By:: Last Post: 27th February 2007 09:55 AM; by Bob38S

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Concrete Slab Curing Question

Started by Moe Z, 30th October 2006 11:11 PM

add, advance, advise, build, building, company, concrete, construction, correct, cost, cure, curing, days, drilled, frame, house, insert, left, local, mails, nails, poured, question, slab, standard, standards, timber, timeline, told

Replies: 10
Views: 4,378

Last Post By:: Last Post: 1st November 2006 05:04 PM; by ausdesign

Forum:
CONCRETING

Hettich Hinges for Kitchen - A Challenge

Started by Damon_11, 11th August 2006 01:59 AM

challenge, cheers, contour, diameter, doors, drill, drilled, hettich, hinge, hinges, hold, holes, install, kitchen, kits, laminex, missing, princely, putting, ready, received, redikits, resolve, screws, secure, specific, suggestions, supplied, wide, wrong

Replies: 7
Views: 4,597

Last Post By:: Last Post: 3rd September 2006 01:31 AM; by Damon_11

Forum:
KITCHENS

Dunny advice

Started by jasonbrisbane, 6th July 2006 01:30 AM

advice, appreciated, are?worst, back.are, base, crappy, drilled, dunny, expanding, fastners?my, floor, glue, hard, ideas, loose, photos, pipe, pipe?attached, remove, ring, rolleyes, screws, secured, similar, thingo, tile, tiles, toilet, wax, worry

Replies: 1
Views: 1,780

Last Post By:: Last Post: 6th July 2006 11:14 AM; by workgoose

Forum:
KITCHENS, BATHROOMS, THEATRES, etc

any ideas....

Started by builtforcomfort, 27th June 2006 02:23 PM

25mm, 55mm, built, chippy, chosen, doors, drilled, finished, fix, gday, holes, house, ideas, looker, owner, passages, patch, poster.eek, recently, replace, require, sets, suggestions, time

Replies: 7
Views: 1,727

Last Post By:: Last Post: 27th June 2006 06:16 PM; by Greg Q

Forum:
DOORS, WINDOWS, ARCHITRAVES & SKIRTS ETC

Repairing holes in polyurethane finished surfaces

Started by jmk89, 15th March 2006 09:57 AM

blind, bright, cupboard, doors, drawer, drilled, filled, filling, finish, finished, freddy, fronts, gratefully, holes, house, ideas, kitchen, match, pass, perfect, polyurethane, received, repairing, section, suggestions, surfaces, swmbo, test, white

Replies: 1
Views: 1,983

Last Post By:: Last Post: 15th March 2006 07:56 PM; by arms

Forum:
KITCHENS, BATHROOMS, THEATRES, etc

drilling holes in stainless steel sink

Started by Pulse, 24th January 2006 06:48 PM

bit, btw, buying, cheers, destroy, drill, drilled, drilling, hole, holes, installed, lots, mixer, money, mounted, preferable, probablt, pulse, saved, sink, stainless, steel, taking, thinking, tips

Replies: 13
Views: 16,594

Last Post By:: Last Post: 1st March 2006 08:37 PM; by Steveoo

Forum:
KITCHENS, BATHROOMS, THEATRES, etc

In-Filling Previously Drilled Door

Started by jchappo, 1st January 2006 04:28 PM

bit, blocks, chisel, core, cut, cuts, door, drilled, edge, existing, fit, glue, hole, holes, in-filling, infilling, interior, knob, latch, methods, paper, parallel, piece, previously, requires, router, set, strengthen, templates, wood

Replies: 8
Views: 2,515

Last Post By:: Last Post: 4th January 2006 10:46 PM; by BrisBen

Forum:
PAINTING, PLASTERING, TILING, DECORATING, etc.

How do you drill holes in tiles without cracking them ?

Started by JDarvall, 1st December 2005 09:42 PM

2 Pages •: 1 2

bit, bought, brittle, cardboard, cool, cracking, cracks, diameter, diamond, drill, drilled, drilling, dust, failing, finish, frustrating, holes, job, lightly, lined, professionally, running, solution, solve, specially, suddenly, technique, tiles, trickle, water

Replies: 17
Views: 30,026

Last Post By:: Last Post: 13th December 2005 02:43 PM; by beej75

Forum:
TILING

Toilet Humour

Started by Christopha, 6th September 2005 05:35 PM

bore, breath, dad, day, death, deep, drilled, dunny, farm, found, granddad, happened, heard, hell, hole, humour, miles, move, moved, night, oil, poor, re-located, reckon, reckoned, soil, toilet, trace, trials, wondering

Replies: 2
Views: 1,742

Last Post By:: Last Post: 8th September 2005 01:45 AM; by Daddles

Forum:
JOKES

pine joists stainless ringshanks

Started by russ34, 15th June 2005 10:28 AM

assuming, board, coilgun, concern, decking, drilled, driven, gals, hand, hold, hwd, joist, joists, line, nailed, nails, pine, pre, prevent, ringshanks, russ, splitting, splitting], stainleess, stainless, straight, treated, [staggering

Replies: 1
Views: 1,481

Last Post By:: Last Post: 18th June 2005 03:19 PM; by jaws

Forum:
FLOORING, DECKING, STUMPS, etc.

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