Timber Framing Code

[chanquetas]

Does anyone know where I can download the Timber Framing Code (Qld). It seems rather elusive on the net. Surely this is a free publication one can download as required.
Cheers.

[duckman]

Free? Surely you jest!! If Qld is like Victoria in this regard you will have to buy it.
Do you have a Timber Promotion Council up there?
Expect to pay >$50.00 for it.

A search on Google would probably be your best bet until one of the other Qlder's on the board responds.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

PS:

I got this link from www.tpcvic.org.au

I tried looking at what publications they have available but you have to log in to do so. Way to drum up business Qlder's.

http://www.timberqueensland.com.au

[Ian007]

Sorry its not free.
you will need to pay for it and you get it from standards australia they are on the web but you will need to do search. or you can get it from the timber development assoc

there are three different codes across australia and you need the one for where you want to build.

Cheers Ian

[MarkV]

http://www.standards.com.au/catalogue/script/Search.asp You can try this link I had a bit of a dig around via our work login and it is a bit hard ( for me anyway ) to work out exactly what standard you want. There is a whole bunch of framing standards. Might be an idea to ask council what standard you have to comply to. The one I looked at was about $28 but it sort of gave me the impression that it was some sort of checklist as opposed to a descriptive type document. Hope this helps ,maybe one of the builders say Journeyman Mick could help.

Cheers Mark

[arms]

Does anyone know where I can download the Timber Framing Code (Qld). It seems rather elusive on the net. Surely this is a free publication one can download as required.
Cheers.

the only way to get the timber framing code is to buy the tradac manual from the timber advisory board in queensland,they are on brunswick street fortitude valley,i think i paid about 50 dollars for mine
kind regards
tom armstrong
www.armstrongcabinets.com.au

[Sturdee]

Our local library has available for loan the Victorian framing manual and the Timber framing manual supplementary tables as well as the Australian roof building manual as well as books on framing practices ( sort of how to books ).

Try your local library.


Peter.

[glenn k]

I was going to say go to the library aswell. The only trouble is that they are very limited is sizes and grades of timber. Pine is F5 so if you have F7, F8, F11 or F14 pine you don't know what you can do with it. You can use tables for other woods but most are for green wood so they under rate.

The library of standards Australia have have heaps of tables you can look at them but not photocopy. They are costly but you are allowed to manually copy them. I cut and graded the wood for my extension and used pine of all grades correctly but the building inspector didn't have tables to chec. You can grade some hardwoods to F34 but there are no tables to show what it can do. Normal tables only go to F17 I graded a lot of timber higher than this.

[E. maculata]

Gidday fella's,
commonly availiable span tables are a good way to start learning about what timber to use in relation to stress loadings.
Re Hardwood grading, the tables that are commonly availiable from industry bodies in each state, usually reflect the local (read endemic to that state) timber species strength/failure properties in a fairly generalised manner. A complete listing is found in AS 2082-2000 and 2 or 3 others.
Being Northern NSW/SE QLD based, the grading guides I give my apprentices when we do our timber grading tickets start at F-11 green and go up to F-43 for some of our Hardwoods.

[chanquetas]

Thanks for the replies all. I shall buy it. Actually just got home from the Valley, could have picked it up.

However, this information as well as all standards should be free to the public. I dont agree with this secrecy of information nonsense. Fancy telling us YOU MUST conform to this standard, but then making us pay for it. AMSA have supplied free to all the Marine Orders, its about time others industries followed suit.
Anyway, I think I might build a new house behind my existing house, so I better get the codes.
Cheers.

[duckman]

Thanks for the replies all. I shall buy it. Actually just got home from the Valley, could have picked it up.

However, this information as well as all standards should be free to the public. I dont agree with this secrecy of information nonsense. Fancy telling us YOU MUST conform to this standard, but then making us pay for it. AMSA have supplied free to all the Marine Orders, its about time others industries followed suit.
Anyway, I think I might build a new house behind my existing house, so I better get the codes.
Cheers.

There's no secrecy here changetas. A considerable amount of work goes into producing these tables, and the work in on-going. Someone has to pay for it. Its called "user pays" and personally I don't have a problem with it. What I do have a very big problem with is "cross subsidies" where people who do not in any way benefit from something, nonetheless have to foot part of the bill for that something.

As for you Marine Orders, just how much research by qualified scientists and engineers or other appropriate professionals goes into producing a set of regulations?

Just my 0.02 cents worth.

Take it easy..

Mark.

[MarkV]

Just a thought the Architect/draftsman who draws up you plans will specify the appropriate timbers and fixings. The mob that make frames and trusses will know what to do and if all else fails the building inspector will be able to tell you what you need to do to comply with your council specs. I have a couple of mates who have done MAJOR extensions and /or built houses and to be honest they wouldn't know what one of the standards looked like.After this is what you pay all these various people for. At the end of the day if the building inspector is happy everything should be fine .

[Theva]

Chanquetas,

The standard you are after is AS1684.3 if your house is in cyclonic area.

If not, AS1684.4 Simplified version for non cyclonic areas.

Regards,

Theva

[duckman]

Just a thought the Architect/draftsman who draws up you plans will specify the appropriate timbers and fixings. The mob that make frames and trusses will know what to do and if all else fails the building inspector will be able to tell you what you need to do to comply with your council specs. I have a couple of mates who have done MAJOR extensions and /or built houses and to be honest they wouldn't know what one of the standards looked like.After this is what you pay all these various people for. At the end of the day if the building inspector is happy everything should be fine .

Architects "don't know s**t from clay" and drafties have no interest whatsoever in determing the most cost effective way to build the proposed structure. And why should they? Its NOT their money. The builder is the best person to work it out and he/she is the one who has to guarantee the work.

[journeyman Mick]

The manuals come in different flavours depending on your terrain category/wind force and whether you're in a cyclonic or non cyclonic area. If your council is anything like mine they won't tell you what terrain category you are in (even if you're building next to a building classified as a certain terrain category) because you now need to engage the services of someone licensed to identify terrain category. My local council will no longer do this because of legal liability issues.

Mick

[chanquetas]

Im going to build it myself. How hard can it be? A bit of wood here, a beam thingy there, a joist thrown in for good measure...
I am in a non-cyclonic area - Brisbane. Still I will over engineer it to buggery of course.
So no, there will not be a builder to determine spacings etc., hence my need for the documentation, which I should not have to pay for. The government work for us dont they? They should provide this sort of thing as a service.
Having to pay for Australian Standards is ludicrous.
Theva, thanks for the numbers.