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    Default Door knob with key overriding thumb turn

    This should be super easy for many but I just couldn't find an answer, and search seems not coming up much for me.

    For the first time I dealt with a door knob (a house entrance door) that if someone inside turns the thumb turn to lock, outsider can't open the lock with the key.

    I need to change this to how I had seen all these years: From outside, the key overrides thumb turn.

    My question is,

    1, can i tweak the existing knob to the way I prefer? Existing knob has a similar look to this Just a moment...

    2, if no, I think I can buy the set in the link above, and change the whole thing (i understand there might be extra steps but that is not relevant to the question I have now). How do I know I am buying a set that key overrides thumb turn? Bunnings page doesn't seem to specify this.

    3, any keyword to search online to find the door knob set I prefer so I don't end up buying the same thing I already have on the door?

    Thanks

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    Maybe try some silicone spray? I don’t have a solution as not had it happen before.
    cheers

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    Doesn't sound right, and could be a safety issue, so i'd replace it. Standard entrance sets will behave as you expect

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    Doesn't sound right, and could be a safety issue, so i'd replace it. Standard entrance sets will behave as you expect
    Thx. I see.

    At least bunnings accepts return in the case I really find a wrong set.

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    I’ve sometimes found that door locks play up something awful if the various components are out of alignment. For example, if I’ve removed the handle and lock assembly to enable the door to be painted. (I can’t stand paint on the metal parts.) And then when the door is dry and I replace the door lock, in what seems the exact same way, something sometimes doesn’t work so well. It’s usually an alignment issue and undoing the screws, making a tiny adjustment, then tightening them again will fix the problem.

    If you didn’t do any of that and the handle hasn’t been damaged by the door being slammed against the wall with the handle hitting it, or you haven’t carried any heavy boxes inside that have knocked the handle, then chances are it’s an age thing and the easiest plan might be to replace it. Or take it to a locksmith. And locksmiths are good at key matching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErrolFlynn View Post
    I’ve sometimes found that door locks play up something awful if the various components are out of alignment. For example, if I’ve removed the handle and lock assembly to enable the door to be painted. (I can’t stand paint on the metal parts.) And then when the door is dry and I replace the door lock, in what seems the exact same way, something sometimes doesn’t work so well. It’s usually an alignment issue and undoing the screws, making a tiny adjustment, then tightening them again will fix the problem.

    If you didn’t do any of that and the handle hasn’t been damaged by the door being slammed against the wall with the handle hitting it, or you haven’t carried any heavy boxes inside that have knocked the handle, then chances are it’s an age thing and the easiest plan might be to replace it. Or take it to a locksmith. And locksmiths are good at key matching.
    Thx. Yes I do plan to check with local locksmith. I think I should take off the covering and try adjusting a bit, maybe that will just work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatlingsu View Post
    Thx. Yes I do plan to check with local locksmith. I think I should take off the covering and try adjusting a bit, maybe that will just work.
    If what you linked above is a like for like replacement, $17 will likely be the cheaper option compared to a locksmith. But do spray the mechanism, as suggested above

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    If what you linked above is a like for like replacement, $17 will likely be the cheaper option compared to a locksmith. But do spray the mechanism, as suggested above
    yes. i expect locksmith will answer some questions for free, but tweaking the lock definitely will be beyond $17.

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    Remove both handles from the door and reassemble, you will most likely find it hasn’t been installed correctly with the lock release knob being in the wrong location so it can’t be rotated correctly with the key
    Failing that replace the lock at Bunnings unless you want to waste a lot of money at a locksmith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardy View Post
    Remove both handles from the door and reassemble, you will most likely find it hasn’t been installed correctly with the lock release knob being in the wrong location so it can’t be rotated correctly with the key
    Failing that replace the lock at Bunnings unless you want to waste a lot of money at a locksmith
    What beardy said +

    if the tongue is not fitting correctly into the jam this will also cause problems.
    Very much sounds like not fitted correctly as I believe it is a new lock because at #4 you mentioned returning it to bunnings.

    I had a similar problem this week with a key lock on front door (barrell and key same a security lock.
    Removed barrel and found nib on assembly worn on one side so I fitted barrell opposite way round and all good.

    This was a barrell and key fitted by thieving locksmith when I was away for 2 days and partner called him at 10am Saturday and the prick turned up at 1.30 and charged after hours fee. $220 for a lock which retails for $35 today.

    Time for me to change it 7 minutes after spraying and stuffing around.
    Locksmiths are not my favorite people.

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    Reminds me of the story of the TV repair man that comes in, looks at the screen, bangs the old TV on the top, TV is fixed. 2 minutes work and...
    "$51 please"
    "What, $51!!. You only hit it!!"
    "Yes, $1 for hitting it, $50 for knowing where to hit it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardy View Post
    Remove both handles from the door and reassemble, you will most likely find it hasn’t been installed correctly with the lock release knob being in the wrong location so it can’t be rotated correctly with the key
    Failing that replace the lock at Bunnings unless you want to waste a lot of money at a locksmith
    Thx, will try that

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambunctious View Post
    What beardy said +

    if the tongue is not fitting correctly into the jam this will also cause problems.
    Very much sounds like not fitted correctly as I believe it is a new lock because at #4 you mentioned returning it to bunnings.

    I had a similar problem this week with a key lock on front door (barrell and key same a security lock.
    Removed barrel and found nib on assembly worn on one side so I fitted barrell opposite way round and all good.

    This was a barrell and key fitted by thieving locksmith when I was away for 2 days and partner called him at 10am Saturday and the prick turned up at 1.30 and charged after hours fee. $220 for a lock which retails for $35 today.

    Time for me to change it 7 minutes after spraying and stuffing around.
    Locksmiths are not my favorite people.
    About the 'return' part, i meant that for me it is not very concerning if I buy a lock from bunnings and find it is still not the way I want it, I can return it with minimal fuss. Then buy the right one.

    The lock in question is probably a few years old. I will try following advises here, seems promising because some videos i watched also highlight that tongues and sleeves need to lined up 'on the same correct side'.

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    When I had a small aircon installed, i mentioned to the technician my big aircon is too weak. He checked and asked for $200. He fixed it in a few mins and showed me the broken part that is about eraser size. Replaced. Works.

    And yes, he priced this at a balanced figure, not too high for me and good enough for himself. I appreciate he saved me $3000 for at least 4 years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    Reminds me of the story of the TV repair man that comes in, looks at the screen, bangs the old TV on the top, TV is fixed. 2 minutes work and...
    "$51 please"
    "What, $51!!. You only hit it!!"
    "Yes, $1 for hitting it, $50 for knowing where to hit it"
    My reply is about the fitting of a lock and also locksmiths, both mentioned.
    What does this have to do with televisions ??

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