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    Default Australian Government mandatory Internet filter

    I hear the government is going to introduce a mandatory internet filter that will filter what you can access, in effect they only allow you access sites they say you can access..Pretty scary stuff as the list of banned sites will not be viewable by anyone other than ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority) Sites rumoured to be banned will be The Pirate Bay, mininova, Demonoid and 4chan..No doubt this will be expanded greatly to include any site that goes against government policy..

    So what do people think should our internet be filtered even though the ISP's are saying it will be technically impossible to do so without degrading speeds and the fact it will make it impossible to catch people doing illegal things on their PC as they will quite easily circumvent the filter..

    Not to mention that some people are saying the filter will make all login/passwords for online banking, ebay, paypal transactions viewable by someone at the ISP as it passes through the filter..

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    Chairman K rudd and his comrades advisedthis preelection....its to save the kids . Must be getting the nod from his chinese masters
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    Passwords, banking etc can not be viewed as they are encrypted.

    Sites will become encrypted and bypass the filters with a simple browser plugins.

    Sites will appear faster than they can be banned.

    The pollies will claim to be doing good but nothing will change.
    Lots of parents will reduce their monitoring of where the kids browse.

    We will pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidG View Post
    Passwords, banking etc can not be viewed as they are encrypted.
    They break the encryption via man in the middle attacks at the ISP, put the results through the filter then re-encrypt and send on it's way...The user will get a warning that this is happening but they will most likely click the proceed button..HTTPS is filterable by the latest filters..All it would take is one dodgy employee to harvest passwords and logins..

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    It's not possible.

    Like the fire-arms laws, it will only affect the innocent. Anyone who wants to bypass the filters could do so easily (the same as criminals aren't too fussed about having illegal guns ) and there's no way the govt can stop 'em short of physically disconnecting all international communications channels. (And with satellite comms, even that ain't possible anymore.)

    If they could, don't you think that hackers, crackers, phishers and the like would have long been a thing of the past?
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    VPN's will become more commonly used. Money launderers and the like already do so. The govt may try to stop illegal downloads, but they will fail. There are a lot of clever little geeks out there.
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    I agree with everyone's sentiments. It'll never happen - but EVEN if it did, which it won't, there are so many other ways around these 'blockages'.

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    The problem isn't that the filter will work but that it will cost us money and possibly send isp's out of the business, either because of the cost or fear of legal ramifications. Reduce competition, reduce discounts.

    http://nocleanfeed.com/takeaction.html

    If you want to protest it. They said or at least inferred before the election there would be an opt out option. In fact there is is proposed two levels of filtering, no clean feed.
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    Waste of time, money, and effort. Especially with satellite connections, like Skew said. And leads to a false sense of security, worst of all.

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    The sooner all web traffic uses high level encryption the better, anyway.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON and
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...istleblow.html

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    Except that in certain countries high-level encryption is not permitted for domestic use. I believe it's still illegal in Russia, Iran & Iraq. I've heard that it was illegal in France, but that they've recently become more tolerant.

    It ain't gonna happen anyway. For secure encryption you really need to go PGP or similar, which requires a 2-key system Can you imagine what a pain it'd be if you had to send a copy of the public key to every site you visited?

    The obvious workaround would to be have established encrypted channels between servers and then the only keys that'd need swapping would be with your ISP. They'd decrypt your packets with your public key, re-encrypt it with their private one and send it on. Wash, rinse & repeat at each server.

    Of course, all it takes is for the govt to mandate some anti-terrorist law forcing all local ISPs to supply the govt with their keys... and I wouldn't trust the gubmint with the keys to my car, let alone my private comms.

    Encryption only works when only the two "secure" parties have the keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!! View Post
    Except that in certain countries high-level encryption is not permitted for domestic use. I believe it's still illegal in Russia, Iran & Iraq. I've heard that it was illegal in France, but that they've recently become more tolerant.

    It ain't gonna happen anyway. For secure encryption you really need to go PGP or similar, which requires a 2-key system Can you imagine what a pain it'd be if you had to send a copy of the public key to every site you visited?

    The obvious workaround would to be have established encrypted channels between servers and then the only keys that'd need swapping would be with your ISP. They'd decrypt your packets with your public key, re-encrypt it with their private one and send it on. Wash, rinse & repeat at each server.

    Of course, all it takes is for the govt to mandate some anti-terrorist law forcing all local ISPs to supply the govt with their keys... and I wouldn't trust the gubmint with the keys to my car, let alone my private comms.

    Encryption only works when only the two "secure" parties have the keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe greiner View Post
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    How will they block satellite feeds?

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    There are other simpler ways. Get a cheap jumping off account in a "friendly" country, encrypt to that and bounce off to wherever. Has the added benifit of making all your surfing untraceable, unless they crack your remote host. I suspect such services are available now, but would become very much more popular should this go ahead.

    There are so many ways to tunnel through it it's not funny, but what is funny is a friends take on it:

    If the mandatory filter blcoks all "illegal" content then if your able to download it it can't be illegal, and if it is then sue the government.

    They are dirtying their hands with stuff they don't understand and it'll bite. Politicians! and it's illegal to shoot them...
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