NSW Racial tension.............

[martrix]

Well, what do I say............1 or 2 transparent steps forward, 20 to 30 years worth of back steps for society..
Is this a result of the "MTV" generation, which are incapable of any independant thought process?:confused:

Anyone know what lead to the lifesavers getting bashed in the first place?

Aint it amazing how the 'Mob' mentality takes hold, guess it works real swell on mushy, malleable minds.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your thoughts please....

and please, let's keep it a live and healthy debate

[E. maculata]

Weird wierd weird, must feel funny for the older generations, don't know what to make of it all:confused:

[Ashore]

Aint it amazing how the 'Mob' mentality takes hold, guess it works real swell on mushy, malleable minds.

Mob Mentality depends on whose in the mob

I think a lot of people are sick and tired of reading " a man of middle eastern apparance"

Are these the only ones causing problems or does the press grab a story where they can use that line to sell papers

Is there a real them and us attitude out there where groups of ethnic youths feel so alianiated from mainstreem Australia that they travel together in gangs , for what ever reason and take offence at anything and everything and resort to violence

To me it seems that the problem is based on the way some people have been raised , and there is now a backlash where "average" Australians are no longer going to put up with , or be tolerant of behaviour that , " is un-Australian"

I myself judge each person as I find them, and treat them occordingly
This is a great way to live but with the changing times in which we live I must say that when I approach a group of youths of any nationality on a street I am weary to say the least, keep my distance don't make eye contact and watch my back .


Now for the big Question how long before this thread is moved



Ashore

[zenwood]

Is this a result of the "MTV" generation, which are incapable of any independant thought process?:confused:

I doubt it. Mob rule has been around since Cain and Abel had kids. Mobile phones and a bit of alcohol brings ignorant louts out of the woodwork. Sad to see such open hatred in Australia.

[Zed]

this thread will be moved (I betcha!)

this is the unfortunate effect of marrying cousins and reducing the size of the gene pool you can select from...

the most unfortunate is that redneck man is at least as devolved as middle eastern or jewish fundamentalist man. pack of wankers the lot of 'em:mad:

to fix it :

1) martial law
2) mandatory military service
3) zero tolerance

make me lord and bow in aquiencense!!!!!!!!!! Now!!!!!!:mad:

[bitingmidge]

I would have thought the best way of relieving racial tension, would be by belting a . . . . . . . . (insert derogitary ethnic term of choice here).

P

[Clinton1]

Bodgies and Widgies anyone? What about Skins and Mods, or Locals vs Drop-ins, Carlton Crew vs Collingwood boys?

Isn't this a case of same old same old? Idiots in a pack enjoying bashing others from a position of strength.

the most unfortunate is that redneck man is at least as devolved as middle eastern or jewish fundamentalist man

The most unfortunate?
Why is that Zed, did you expect more from those carrying the white-skin genes?
Sad.
I'd have thought that 5000 "good old Aussies" setting out like a pack for the "wrong skinned ones" would be an indictment on the Aussie culture - if we want to go for broad generalisations that is.

[silentC]

It's pretty ugly stuff alright with more to come no doubt. One of the reasons I'm glad we moved away from Sydney. Right or wrong I wouldn't like to be an anglo living in Bankstown like I was 4 years ago.

[Clinton1]

Just saw another news report on it.
Seems like the crowd, or parts of, got into random smashing of cars and property last night.
Reinforces the idiot theory.

[silentC]

According to the SMH:

A group of about 60 men of Middle Eastern appearance and armed with baseball bats smashed the windows of parked cars about 9pm

You can bet that as soon as they heard about it, there would have been a heap of them on their way to 'get revenge'. They will consider it to be open warfare now.

The difference between this and the old Widgies v. Bodgies etc is that the only 'club colours' are the colour of the skin and plenty of people are going to get caught up in it through no fault of their own.

[Greg Ward]

Some cultures integrate in time, some may never do.

Religion has a lot to answer for.

50 years ago, the catholics and protestants threw stones at each other, to marry a catholic, you had to convert etc.etc. .......now that problem is of little consequence.
50 years ago, the Chinese were seen as alien, now from the number of mixed race couples I note, there appears a great deal on positive integration with the asian races as a whole.

Integration through marraige with moslem families (as far as I know) now appears to suffer from the old catholic problem, .......you must convert to this religion before marraige, therefore social integration is greatly restricted, leading to the devlopment of a separate non-integrated society.
The jewish religion also has a similar problem with the hassidic jews, but small numbers of any minority group make them 'interesting' but not a social problem.

How to fix?

Education and intermarraige is the only way, but I don't see it happeneing soon.
Regards

Greg

[bitingmidge]

No Greg, religion has nothing to answer.

The people who espouse extremism, have all to answer, and they are so far from the mainstream of all the major religions that one may as well forget it.

What religion are neo-nazi's anyway? I thought they were anti-all religions, so maybe that is the problem. If there was no religion, they wouldn't have a soapbox!!

On the other hand, why is it that these poor wronged ethnic dears, feel that they can right those wrongs by smashing cars at random, and basically buggering up innocent people's property. Oh that's it isn't it.... they're protesting about the right to live in peace and harmony.

Why don't we just provide a paddock and guns for them, and let them go for it??

Bloody multiculturalism...... what's wrong with being Australian??

If you want to be Lebanese (or insert other nationality of choice here), that's fine, come and visit your Australian relatives at Christmas.

Cheers,

P (It's nearly Christmas, hope you've booked the flights back.

[meerkat]

First off let me say that I (like the rest of you all) treat people on an individual basis, thats a prerequisite for a forum such as this.

Lets not get confused here, extremists, racists, bigots etc are in every society not just Australian (regardless of what you hear in the media).

What is happening now is nothing different to what happened with the migrants after WW2 and their children, then with the Vietnamese etc.

I disagree that Religion has nothing to answer, it does. Religion is meant to teach people tolerance, understanding, compassion etc, if people are allowed to preach violence in churches, mosques etc or use the Bible or Qur'an then these extremists (who are the minority) are less likely to get a foothold because their ability to "suck in" moderates will be impaired.

What many people don't know is that Christians and Muslims have the same ancestors, so are we really any different ?

I saw a doco on tv last night about how the Normans ruled Sicily with their Muslim, Christian etc population. I believe it worked because there was a simple philosphy, life is good when you all work together, don't and i'll beat the living c@#p out of you.

Now apparantly we have progressed from that time. Why is it then that we as "brothers and sisters" still cannot see past this "Smokescreen of Religion" and see the humans behind.

To sum it all up, violence of any sort is unnacceptable and if you want to live in this great country of ours (whoever you may be) then live by our rule of law etc.

Andrew

[E. maculata]

I wish we could all live life like an episode of "it ain't half hot Mum", insert heavily accented voice stating "We Aussies"
(just for us old guys who actually remember the sar'nt major)

[silentC]

I don't think it has anything to do with religion. What you have is a very closed and protective society into which these gangs of 'youths' have come making noise and creating a scene. The local blokes don't like it, and so they have clashed. It has built up to a point where there has been violence and revenge has been sought by both sides.

Various other parties have hijacked the situation for their own ends: neo-nazis, political parties, the media. It's not white Australia vs. muslim Australia but that's what they all want us to think it is.

Midge has the best solution: don't read the paper and don't watch the news