CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

[Tccp123]

Really.... That "quote" was widely used in the promotion of the Underbelly TV series. But attribution of that "quote" actually dates back at least to Mayor Richard Daley in Chicago in the 1950's, but its origin was almost certainly earlier.

Does it really matter where it came from? The point was the quote, not the origin. Anyway why was Mayor Richard Daley in Chicago in the 1950's commenting on the NSW police force in the 1980s?

[FenceFurniture]

From Shedhand, just now:

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[rwbuild]

Not funny Brett

[BobL]

This is an interesting read from the ABC.

Coronavirus data shows our isolation regime is a marathon, not a sprint - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

In summary it suggests we'll have be in this lay-low state for a lot longer than we think.

[Tccp123]

This is an interesting read from the ABC.

Coronavirus data shows our isolation regime is a marathon, not a sprint - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

In summary it suggests we'll have be in this lay-low state for a lot longer than we think.

It sounds to me like you've achieved what you've all been after. Well done. Congratulations.

[FenceFurniture]

It sounds to me like you've achieved what you've all been after. Well done. Congratulations.

Perhaps you could explain what you would have done.

[woodPixel]

80% of people will get it. So far, 20% of those who get it, die.


Think of five friends. One is dead.

Think of four friends. If they are fine, you're it.


Now for the contention - this affects boomers 9 times in 10. Those who are in the greatest denial are... boomers.

Jesus. Its as if you all couldn't give a f*ck.



edit - Tccp123, I'm finding it very hard to understand where you are coming from. You make no sense. I think you are in a deliberate denial/delusional/irrational state... some form of reality distortion, where what is occurring isn't real, or is in some way a massive international conspiracy. Wake up Neo - its time for the red pill.

[Tccp123]

80% of people will get it. So far, 20% of those who get it, die.


Think of five friends. One is dead.

Think of four friends. If they are fine, you're it.


Now for the contention - this affects boomers 9 times in 10. Those who are in the greatest denial are... boomers.

Jesus. Its as if you all couldn't give a f*ck.



edit - Tccp123, I'm finding it very hard to understand where you are coming from. You make no sense. I think you are in a deliberate denial/delusional/irrational state... some form of reality distortion, where what is occurring isn't real, or is in some way a massive international conspiracy. Wake up Neo - its time for the red pill.

While most thinking people are transfixed with horror by the annihilation of our global economy, the left are rejoicing.

This week GetUp! emailed their supporters in raptures over the wartime measures our government has taken to see people through the pandemic.

“We Won – BIG” their subject line announced triumphantly.

Doubled Newstart allowances, 6 months rent-free, 6 million Aussies receiving wage subsidies from the government, FREE daycare...

For the socialists, this is life as it always should be.

Never mind that it’s come at the cost of a World War II sized deficit our children’s children will likely be paying off.

The climate alarmists are rejoicing also.

Planes are grounded, oil demand has plummeted, and industry is halted as great swathes of our economy are forbidden from functioning – all of which mean reduced Co2 emissions.

For this particular brand of lefty, even the pandemic’s death toll has an upside: less people mean a smaller carbon footprint.

[FenceFurniture]

Jesus. Its as if you all couldn't give a f*ck.

Now now, that is just no way to get written into my will.


Went to the Food Co-op to buy eggs this arvo. I had my 30ml squirt bottle of WHO brew in my pocket, P2 mask on, orange nitrile super-glove on my left hand (need the right for fingerprint). The coins in my pocket have been sat in weak bleach and then boiled for ten minutes. Yep, I'm serious about this.

Person at the door said I can wash my hands at the sink before and after, and would I please take off the glove "we'll give you another glove on the way out".
Me: "that would be ok but your gloves are nowhere near as good as this one"
Them: "Doesn't matter"
Me: "ok, how about if I sterilise my hand and the glove with this WHO brew sanitiser?"
Them: "No, you have to take the glove off and wash your hands. We don't know where that glove has been."
Me: "ok, I'll wash the glove on my hand"
Them: "No, that's not enough"
Me: "ok, I'll wash the glove on my hand AND sanitise it"
Them: "No, that's not enough"
Me: "Why not? How is that any different to washing my skin which has cracks, pores, lines and fingernails for the virus to hide in?"
Them: Thunder faced, mouth still moving but no sound issuing.

Then I was accused of not taking it seriously (them was not masked, or gloved) and of putting myself above their safety. I responded that they wanted me to lower my safety standards to suit theirs.

So while I was diligently washing my hand and gloved hand - having to push plungers and tap lever that other people touch - another person decided to tackle me about it. They too ended up with a noiselessly moving mouth in the face of (quite simple) logic. Then I moved away and sanitised as well, got my eggs, and presented my boiled money to pay for them. Person taking the money said they were involved in public health previously, and agreed that I was indeed taking it very seriously.

None of the staff had masks or gloves on. I applaud them for the hand washing caper. And their eggs. The eggs are great! Bloody monsters lately - one was 78 grams!

Sometimes people have to follow rules just because them's the rules, even in the face of superior techniques. Tis a pity that not enough people can think well enough.

[Tccp123]

80% of people will get it. So far, 20% of those who get it, die.


Think of five friends. One is dead.

Think of four friends. If they are fine, you're it.


Now for the contention - this affects boomers 9 times in 10. Those who are in the greatest denial are... boomers.

Jesus. Its as if you all couldn't give a f*ck.



edit - Tccp123, I'm finding it very hard to understand where you are coming from. You make no sense. I think you are in a deliberate denial/delusional/irrational state... some form of reality distortion, where what is occurring isn't real, or is in some way a massive international conspiracy. Wake up Neo - its time for the red pill.

"80% of people will get it. So far, 20% of those who get it, die."

Crap

"Think of five friends. One is dead."

Ok I've thought of five. None is dead, In fact none have got it. OK I've thought of 100. None are dead. In fact none have got it. I asked here did anyone know anyone who had it and the only answer was the uncle of my wife's brother's father in law's second cousin...I think.

Baby boomers are in denial? Horses**t! Most of you are baby boomers and you have been sucked into it hook line and sinker. Look at today's news, 100s of people flock to Manly Beach, not a baby boomer among them!

[Tccp123]

Now now, that is just no way to get written into my will.


Went to the Food Co-op to buy eggs this arvo. I had my 30ml squirt bottle of WHO brew in my pocket, P2 mask on, orange nitrile super-glove on my left hand (need the right for fingerprint). The coins in my pocket have been sat in weak bleach and then boiled for ten minutes. Yep, I'm serious about this.

Person at the door said I can wash my hands at the sink before and after, and would I please take off the glove "we'll give you another glove on the way out".
Me: "that would be ok but your gloves are nowhere near as good as this one"
Them: "Doesn't matter"
Me: "ok, how about if I sterilise my hand and the glove with this WHO brew sanitiser?"
Them: "No, you have to take the glove off and wash your hands. We don't know where that glove has been."
Me: "ok, I'll wash the glove on my hand"
Them: "No, that's not enough"
Me: "ok, I'll wash the glove on my hand AND sanitise it"
Them: "No, that's not enough"
Me: "Why not? How is that any different to washing my skin which has cracks, pores, lines and fingernails for the virus to hide in?"
Them: Thunder faced, mouth still moving but no sound issuing.

Then I was accused of not taking it seriously (them was not masked, or gloved) and of putting myself above their safety. I responded that they wanted me to lower my safety standards to suit theirs.

So while I was diligently washing my hand and gloved hand - having to push plungers and tap lever that other people touch - another person decided to tackle me about it. They too ended up with a noiselessly moving mouth in the face of (quite simple) logic. Then I moved away and sanitised as well, got my eggs, and presented my boiled money to pay for them. Person taking the money said they were involved in public health previously, and agreed that I was indeed taking it very seriously.

None of the staff had masks or gloves on. I applaud them for the hand washing caper. And their eggs. The eggs are great! Bloody monsters lately - one was 78 grams!

Sometimes people have to follow rules just because them's the rules, even in the face of superior techniques. Tis a pity that not enough people can think well enough.

My heart goes out to the poor people who work at these places who are faced with dealing with stupid people every single day. I don't know how they get out of bed in the morning.

[BobL]

80% of people will get it. So far, 20% of those who get it, die.

I don't think those numbers are worth much.
Until we know the numbers of those who have been infected without even knowing about (which currently ranges from 20 to 1000% ) via some sort of antibody test the real death rate is unknown

The death rates will vary dramatically depending on a countries population profile and ability to flatten the curve. Countries with a younger age profile will have lower death rate than those with older profiles as being demonstrated by Italy and Spain.

[Tccp123]

Morrison: Hey Josh, better ring the mint and get them to start up the presses. We need more dosh. About $130b should do...for now.

[Chesand]

You guys have sure made up for the late start this morning.

[NeilS]

...and who gives them that expert qualification?

You can buy them at Bunnings. You just have to know where to find them.

If I remember correctly, Bob has a doctorate. Where did you buy yours from Bob or were you just given it?

Others participants in this thread may be similarly well qualified or have recognised expertise in their respective fields.

But, who needs qualifications and expertise.

I just love the Dunning and Kruger Effect when you see it in action. In the report on their research, titled Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments, (1999)

Quote: compared with their more competent peers, incompetent individuals…will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria; that they will be less able…to recognize competence when they see it (whether their own or someone else’s).

This is not a function of low intelligence, but more a failure in meta-cognition and perhaps to some extent motivational biases (temperament).

However, the most competent group in the study did the reverse, they underestimated their competence. I observe that over and over again in competent people. In my experience highly competent people don't claim to be experts, they become identified as experts in their domain when they are acknowledged a such by the others in their field.

My reference group for that observation are, at last count, the eight immediate members of my wife and my family with doctorates, countless post-docs, six professorships, four fellows of various royal colleges, plus a few close friends with personal academic chairs (not from Ikea), plus a smattering of Companions of Australia and the odd knighthood (they are particularly cheap, but a bit harder to come by nowadays). Some of these got given to them for Christmas or a special birthday, the remainder were purchased from various shops around the world. There a few good little ones with bargains in Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard and Tokyo. As for those honorary qualifications that they just give away, the less said the better. Likewise, keynote addresses at world conferences and the peer reviewed publications in the thousands.