Australian Politics.

[underfoot]

Looks like this thread has been cut to its political size..
Meltdown politically, apathy ..
no just the server suffering its political heat..

it's a conspiracy I tell ya, someone here was getting too close to the truth

[damian]

Abraham surrenders to Monckton. Uni of St Thomas endorses untruths. « JoNova

Whatever you may think of climate change or Monkton this touches on the sort of attitudes I refer to in academia. Who is right isn't the issue, it's the poor quality of the presentation (or malicious lies in the presentation) and the arrogant dismissal of the complaints about them that all too often characterise academia today.

Instead of making a proper reaserched rebuttal to Monkton's talk this chap threw together some sloppy powerpoint and thought everyone would bow down to him because he's got a PhD.

I don't really want to perpetuate this discussion, I just thought some might find this interesting reading. Don't sweat the editorial, the links are what makes the page interesting. You can jump to the origional talk, the first and latest versions of the rebuttal and the correspondence. Judge for yourself.

[Sebastiaan56]

Well blow me down, an election!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE"]YouTube - Wont Get Fooled Again[/ame]

[cultana]

Well blow me down, an election!

YouTube - Wont Get Fooled Again

Yes an election.
5 weeks of :
promises that we know will never be fulfilled.
facts that are slightly stretched, (stretched to the point of being unrealistic).
faces that want our vote in an electorate that we have never seen for the past 3 years or have just been party selected last week.
AND a media that just drivels along without making one iota of intelligent assessment of any party politics or promise.

Welcome to the world of the general voting public.
Always reminds me of this phrase..
fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me

[Gingermick]

shee, they are politicians and will all say whatever they can to get power. As someone's signature here says, absolute power corrupting absolutely.
Howard got booted out because as soon as he got total power he let his ideology dictate his policies which was not what he was voted in for. He got us involved in 2 more american wars during which our lads have fought as Aussies do and some have died.
Going to Iraq was based on lies and our people died, but people now seem more concerned with the current PM, who, while attempted to prop up national employment by stimulating spending on education (some of which has been rorted by unscrupulous businessmen) has incurred a substantial debt. To me this sucks but it's not worth one life.
Rudd tried to get the absurd legislation through that he was voted in espousing (which thankfully was rejected, ironically thanks to the green nuts) and brought some humanity back to the debate on the injustices suffered by our indigenous population over the last 200 years. I note there have been no law suits that everyone opposing the apology was worrying about.
He also stuffed up with the RSPT and some other things and was almost as incoherent as a drunk Glaswegian and deserved to be demoted.
Remember in Australia we vote for local members who, when in office, vote for the PM, they had every right to dump him. Mickey mouse would have beaten howard at the last election.

[Phil Spencer]

My family made me submit an application to postal vote today. They have banned me from attending any polling place for my own good.

I am normally calm and placid except on election day, when ever I approach a polling booth something goes snap and and I end up quietly abusing the pamphlet handlers and if I am really lucky I get to abuse a candidate, it does not matter if they are Labour, Liberal, Green or Purple no matter what persuasion they are l will get stuck into any one. Last state election was the last straw for my wife I sent the Liberal candidates mother home in tears.

I don't raise my voice I just get stuck into them quietly. I have no idea why my buttons go snap on election day, the reason possibly is that I was kissed by a politician when I was a baby.

Is any other member afflicted by this peculiar ailment? Do I need to seek treatment?

Other than polling day I am quite normal, the other thing I have noticed is the local member will turn and walk the other way if he sees me in the street for the life of me I can't understand why.

Do I need help? is there a name for this condition I seem to suffer?

Regards

Phil

[damian]

It's funny you should mention that. My partner watching the pollies cuddle babies the other night was muttering "scarred for life" and phrases to that effect.

It is also interesting to note the polls were laready turning when Beasley was dropped. It's possible he might have won as leader in 07, no Rudd required.

I watched "Hawke" on sunday night. I note that of the things listed at the end as his achievments about 1/3 were not driven by federal government (like the yr 12 retention rate rise which was changing expectations coupled with unemployment) and most of the others were spun as positives but wer really negatives for the people (like the accord that saw real wages decline through the whole Hawke era and union amalgamations that allowed officials to do as they pelase with less recourse to members). One good thing he did was antarctica, but i will never forgive him for what he did to the australian working class. Poverty doubled during his rein, nothing can excuse that.

I expect Rudd's and Howard's terms with be conveniently revised along similar lines.

I expect Gillard will get in, but I hope she does not. ETS, Internet Filter, all their evil plans will come to fruit.

[cultana]

I expect Gillard will get in, but I hope she does not. ETS, Internet Filter, all their evil plans will come to fruit.

Not to mention all the ones we have not heard about and the ones that will be thrust upon us by the arrangement of preferences with the Greens..

So far this is an election of all talk, photo ops and little substance. Oh how the politicians believe we are so gullible and shallow.

Have these parties got any real policies beside 'me too'...

[Sebastiaan56]

For all his carry on Howard did add one innovation to Australian political culture. The famous "Non-Core Promise". Now if we could get a bunch of people together and hound these bozos we might be able to get a couple of really dumb ides (most notably the internet filter) relegated to "Non-Core" status.

Damn, the buggers have sucked me in to their evil mental world...... AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Greg Ward]

Seb.

When global warming allows the seas to rise, you will be sitting pretty. Waterfront mansion and fishing right next door to the local.

Australia will at last have an inland sea and we will grow tomatoes all year around at Alice.

The best bit is that I think Canberra will be surrounded by a moat at Lake george and we can close the airport, ban boats and lock them and their public servants up. We will only be forced to face them on the television and never again have to see them around the suburbs pretending to be interested in babies and fruit shops.
Let's leave them to survive at Fyswick

The sad thing is that the sea level rise won't be high enough to flood Canberra.

Greg

[cultana]

Seb.

When global warming allows the seas to rise, you will be sitting pretty. Waterfront mansion and fishing right next door to the local.

Australia will at last have an inland sea and we will grow tomatoes all year around at Alice.

The best bit is that I think Canberra will be surrounded by a moat at Lake george and we can close the airport, ban boats and lock them and their public servants up. We will only be forced to face them on the television and never again have to see them around the suburbs pretending to be interested in babies and fruit shops.
Let's leave them to survive at Fyswick

The sad thing is that the sea level rise won't be high enough to flood Canberra.

Greg

I think you will also have a few problems getting that inland sea. Looked good in theory but I don't think the guys who made that projection did all the background. They made a 'few' mistakes once you do the heavy ground survey.

[Sebastiaan56]

When global warming allows the seas to rise, you will be sitting pretty. Waterfront mansion and fishing right next door to the local.

sssshhhhhhh

The sad thing is that the sea level rise won't be high enough to flood Canberra.

Remember the fire scene in Barry McKenzie?

Pass me a VB sport.

[damian]

I saw BM again about a month ago. It didn't seem that awful in the 70's, I guess my expectations of production quality and continuity have changed

My place is 65m above sea level and slopes dramatically at the back, down towards the river. A waterfront wouldn't hurt my resale

Pity it's mostly bunk (and we've already had THAT discussion...)

Maybe we need VB in the parliment's public gallery...

Did anyone else notice that idiot Ken Henry saying we need to rebuild all our major cities from scratch to accomodate population increases ? He should join the greens, his ideas are about as whacky as theirs...

I think Brown is straight (please no silly comments), but he is a leader of a party totally out of touch with reality. I guess the greens serve to make the others look like a viable government, by comparison.

[Greg Ward]

Why don't they just dig a ditch to Lake Eyre, it's below sea level and we can then have an inland sea and when the human population becomes almost extinct following the pandemic that is long overdue, apart from a few survivors in Finland, when Australia is re-discovered again, the capital can be placed there instead of Canberra....

In fact why wait? If we start digging now, we will probably discover a few gold mines along the way that will pay for the Caterpillers and we could move Canberra to the center of the desert.
Greg

[Phil Spencer]

Reading in the paper this morning the Sex Party is standing candidates foe the senate reading their policy I think I will vote for them.