Katoomba Monthly Temp average set to be SMASHED!!! AGAIN!!!

[Glider]

There's possibly no such thing as a 100% safe hazard reduction burn. I can see why authorities are reluctant to carry out too many because the media scream blue murder when one goes awry. That narrows the windows of opportunity available over winter.

I'd like to see the fire spotting towers manned again. Someone told me they stopped the practice for safety reasons. I'm trying to understand why the people in the tower couldn't see the danger approaching and get out. Water bombing a small blaze must surely be more effective than a major inferno.

mick

[AlexS]

If the CCDs can quote people with the authority of NASA, or the IPCC with evidence to the contrary then that is worth reading and observing. The opinions of the likes of Alan Jones, Chris Kenny, Andrew Bolt, and the biggest climate eggspurt of them all - Murdoch - mean absolutely nothing. That bunch are just cashing in on the prevailing mood of the naysayers - after all, if they didn't have something to beat up and moan about, what would be the point of Sky After Fark?

Yeah, but, FF, you left out the ultimate expert, "Some bloke on Facebook".

Was listening to a researcher interviewed on Sydney ABC radio just now. A very brief summary of his take on hazard reduction burns was as follows: For a period of from 2-6 years after the burn, the likelihood of destructive fires is reduced. After that, for a period of up to 20 (I think) years the risk returns to high levels, until the forest matures and the amount of ground cover and fuel again reduces. Bear in mind, this is one researcher, and I'll have to look up the reference and check my memory of the numbers.

[FenceFurniture]

That narrows the windows of opportunity available over winter.

Which is now the start, and in 2020 the probable end, of the bushfire season.

Someone told me they stopped the practice for safety reasons.

Summink to do with potentially having to climb through the methane cloud of the previous ladder climber? Having had the misfortune to have walked through a couple of methane clouds at a certain Oberon farm, I can quite understand the danger.....

[Bushmiller]

We don't need to plan for 1,000 years, let alone 50,000.....we need to get through the next 100....maybe even the next 10 at the rate things are going currently!

Brett

Well said. In fact I think if we can get through and adapt for the early years (10 to 100) those remaining years will be easily taken care of by the strategies already in place. Remember that old adage of "Look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves."

You have to say that it is highly ironic that a country that is demonstrably one of those most likely to suffer from adverse weather changes is so adamant that it is not happening. The Emu is a very close relative of the Ostrich I believe. Perhaps we have too many Ostriches in Oz. They all have two legs. Some have a small head and some a boofhead.

Canberra has had a few smoke issues and has recorded it's worst smoke pollution ever. In fact all government depts were closed as a result: Including the one that deals with bushfire crises.

Regards
Paul

[FenceFurniture]

After that, for a period of up to 20 (I think) years the risk returns to high levels, until the forest matures and the amount of ground cover and fuel again reduces.

I would have thought it would also depend on rainfall in the given period too - not because of rain retarding fires but because it would promote rotting and breaking down of the leaf/bark litter.

[Bushmiller]

Craig Kelly opening his mouth to change feet

Australia fires: Craig Kelly slammed by Piers Morgan over climate change denial in car crash British TV interview

Chris

Talk about putting both feet in your mouth! Pome weather girl. Tobin took "umbrage" (love that word. I have a mate whose nickname was "umbrage."). Her qualifications are a degree in physics and meteorology and spent four years as an aviation caster at the RAF before taking a role as a weather forecaster with the BBC. Kelly was a furniture salesman before entering parliament.......!

Now I have nothing against salesman, having spent a little time as one myself in a former life, but is this indicative of government officials lack of knowledge and their consequent denials that climate change is happening. It seems to be the only plausible explanation for their attitudes.

Regards
Paul

[FenceFurniture]

Anyone still need convincing about greenhouse gases causing Climate Change?
What's missing for the argument to be convincing?
What will it actually take for man-made CC deniers to be convinced?

Given the current situation, the overwhelming evidence and agreement amongst the scientists, I think it is not an unfair question to ask of deniers: name the threshold where the denial arguments are found and accepted to be fallacious (by the deniers).

What if it is ultimately proven that the deniers were wrong all along, and that it is then TOO LATE to do enough about it to stop the catastrophic, irreversible damage?
What are the deniers going to do or say then? "SORRY"?

Coming to the part that I just don't understand:

(snip)
Are they (CCDs) concerned about jobs? If it's not jobs that is the problem, then is it the cost?

What is it?
Anybody?

These are not just questions within rhetoric: these are questions that need answering by deniers. In the face of the current evidence you can't just say "It's all bullsh and I don't believe it" without saying what the reasons for not implementing change are.

An absence of answers can only mean one thing: there is no reason not to change, and there is no reason to keep denying.

Is silence to be interpreted as a tacit concession?

[FenceFurniture]

"Prophecy" is a poor journalese choice of word, and "Forecast" is much better, but:
Ross Garnaut's climate change prophecy is coming true and it's going to cost Australia billions, experts warn - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[Bushmiller]

Have a read of this. A comparison of attitudes from politicians on both sides of politics in relation to crises:

Friendlyjordies - Dear Your Majesty | Facebook

Needless to say Morrison does not fare well. Even Abbott gets a bouquet (on a personal level as a human being). In fact I would recommend that if you are a Morrison fan you do not open the link. I cannot recall a more complete annihilation of a single person in some time. There again, there is a lot of ammunition available.

Regards
Paul

[AlexS]

I would have thought it would also depend on rainfall in the given period too - not because of rain retarding fires but because it would promote rotting and breaking down of the leaf/bark litter.

He mentioned that the times depend on a number of factors including type of forest & climate.

[Beardy]

I'd like to see the fire spotting towers manned again. Someone told me they stopped the practice for safety reasons. I'm trying to understand why the people in the tower couldn't see the danger approaching and get out. Water bombing a small blaze must surely be more effective than a major inferno.

mick

They could probably do this via satellite these days I would of thought?

[FenceFurniture]

They could probably do this via satellite these days I would of thought?

That's a very good thought. Overcast weather would be problematic but it would certainly be another tool for the kit. A BIG advantage of satellite spotting would be that the precise co-ordinates of the smoke could be parsed along to the water bombing aircraft instantly.

[woodPixel]

Have a read of this. A comparison of attitudes from politicians on both sides of politics in relation to crises:

Friendlyjordies - Dear Your Majesty | Facebook

Needless to say Morrison does not fare well. Even Abbott gets a bouquet (on a personal level as a human being). In fact I would recommend that if you are a Morrison fan you do not open the link. I cannot recall a more complete annihilation of a single person in some time. There again, there is a lot of ammunition available.

This link is Pure gold. I despise all poli's, but Bushmillers referral is spot on.

[woodPixel]

That's a very good thought. Overcast weather would be problematic but it would certainly be another tool for the kit. A BIG advantage of satellite spotting would be that the precise co-ordinates of the smoke could be parsed along to the water bombing aircraft instantly.

UV and infrared are transparent through clouds?

[Bohdan]

Overcast weather would be problematic but it would certainly be another tool for the kit.

Infra red spotting would not be affected by cloud cover.