good science, bad science and twaddle

[simso]

some quasi scientific explanations were bandied around and some decidedly incorrect statements were put forward...............
i subscribe to the notion that if someone published rubbish as a science on a public forum, it needs to be exposed as rubbish..................
The crowning example of a dog’s breakfast of randomly thrown words that may mean something in different order or in a proper sentence: “the angle the sound is introduced into the material can vary greatly the speed it travels through it, its noted as compressional sound / shear wave sound and plate, these are all dependant on the angles that the sound is induced into the material alsp on the material itself” this is the twaddle of the year in my book!
As i told you in a PM, a speed of wave DOES NOT vary with the angle of entry.

But hey Im just a humble musical instrument repairer, who has no idea, and you are clearly correct in starting a thread debunking me.

Now Im going to do some work, people want there guitars back for christmas......Enough pleasure for the time being, will be back soon with it all assembled and show the different velocities for the different angles.

Im sure stolar you will find a way to prove that what Im saying is incorrect as you could not be wrong, and Im so glad you started a thread about me and the need to debunk me and my pseudo quassi theories, as you know so much better

[Sturdee]

Now have some of Sturdee's port.

Well, I finished the bottle last night and I still think these posts are all twaddle.

Will be opening another bottle tonight, this one is Grand Commandaria Special blend desert wine bottled in 1927, maybe that will enlighten me about all these pseudo scientific balderdash, if not I'll enjoy the drink.


Peter.

[Cliff Rogers]

..... this one is Grand Commandaria Special blend desert wine bottled in 1927, .....

I hope it is still in good order.

[underfoot]

I have just waded through a convoluted thread of nothingness

and I've just run out of popcorn

[snowyskiesau]

Well, I finished the bottle last night and I still think these posts are all twaddle.

Will be opening another bottle tonight, this one is Grand Commandaria Special blend desert wine bottled in 1927, maybe that will enlighten me about all these pseudo scientific balderdash, if not I'll enjoy the drink.
Peter.

Seeing this thread is about pointless nitpicking, I feel compelled to point out that it's dessert wine. Now let's see an argument discussion about that!

Enjoy it however it's spelt.

[simso]

Twaddle me de, twaddle me dum, this little black duck is about to start on the rum......

[springwater]

It's biggining to feel a lot like Xmas

[Clinton1]

“the angle the sound is introduced into the material can vary greatly the speed it travels through it, its noted as compressional sound / shear wave sound and plate, these are all dependant on the angles that the sound is induced into the material alsp on the material itself”

Correct.

Here is an experiment that is much simpler than the one beginning to take shape above.
Simply put a long pole into the water at about 60 degrees, then put on the face mask and measure the angle between the waters surface and that of the pole in the water.
Repeat with the pole at 30 degrees.
See how the two angles under the water are far different... (or you can just observe it from outside the water, using the eyeball, but measuring gives a verified result)... now strike the pole's end with a hammer so it vibrates and time the period for the water ripples to appear at both the water surface and at the underwater end of the pole. Replicate for both the 30 and 60 degree pole angles of entry.

The 30 degree pole angle of entry will have a time period greater between ripple at surface and ripple at underwater pole end than for the 60 degree pole entry.
e.g. 30 TD RS - RUPE does not equal 60 TD RS - RUPE thus proving that the angle of the dangle slows the boink of the doink.
This result replicates even when using a bigger hammer.

[Slapfest]

simso, thats good . . lol

[Sturdee]

I hope it is still in good order.

and

Seeing this thread is about pointless nitpicking, I feel compelled to point out that it's dessert wine. Now let's see an argument discussion about that!

Enjoy it however it's spelt.

As the last 2 were in good order and very enjoyable I trust this one is as well. No argument from me whether it is port or a desert wine, I'll still enjoy it.


Peter.

[Sturdee]

It's biggining to feel a lot like Xmas

Ah yes, the season of goodwill to our fellow forumnites.

The time where we agree to disagree in the spirit of goodwill and relax and have a good time, instead of futile, pointless and totally unnecessary bickering.

Seems to be lost here.


Peter.

[simso]

“Here is an experiment that is much simpler than the one beginning to take shape above.Simply put a long pole into the water at about 60 degrees,

Now now, dont bring a logical and easy explanation into this, you'll be accused of presenting easy to understand quassi moto humbo jumbo must rebuke stuff, and then followed up by insistent pm's that your wrong,

time where we agree to disagree in the spirit of goodwill and relax and have a good time,

Ill hick, dwink to that

Drive safe and have a Merry..You too Stolar

[stolar]

“the angle the sound is introduced into the material can vary greatly the speed it travels through it, its noted as compressional sound / shear wave sound and plate, these are all dependant on the angles that the sound is induced into the material alsp on the material itself”

Correct.

Here is an experiment that is much simpler than the one beginning to take shape above.
Simply put a long pole into the water at about 60 degrees, then put on the face mask and measure the angle between the waters surface and that of the pole in the water.
Repeat with the pole at 30 degrees.
See how the two angles under the water are far different... (or you can just observe it from outside the water, using the eyeball, but measuring gives a verified result)... now strike the pole's end with a hammer so it vibrates and time the period for the water ripples to appear at both the water surface and at the underwater end of the pole. Replicate for both the 30 and 60 degree pole angles of entry.

The 30 degree pole angle of entry will have a time period greater between ripple at surface and ripple at underwater pole end than for the 60 degree pole entry.
e.g. 30 TD RS - RUPE does not equal 60 TD RS - RUPE thus proving that the angle of the dangle slows the boink of the doink.
This result replicates even when using a bigger hammer.

Can you please give us some more information, as i do not understand the details of the experiment.

Is the sound generated by ringing of the pole? Is that why we smack the pole to start it ringing?

What is the pole made of?

Are the ends of both poles at the same depth? Meaning that the pole at 30 degrees would be inserted about 1.73 lengths further in the water than the pole at 60 degrees.

How do you see the ripples at the end of the pole inserted into water ?

if the wave is transferred from the pole to the water how does the inclination of the pole to the water surface change the angle of transfer of the wave to the water from the pole. Think hard as I may, I can only see the transfer of wave from the pole into water is the same in both cases.

[stolar]

Clinton and Steve,

if you manage to prove: “the angle the sound is introduced into the material can vary greatly the speed it travels through it, its noted as compressional sound / shear wave sound and plate, these are all dependant on the angles that the sound is induced into the material alsp on the material itself” you will manage to debunk the very Snell's law !

I cannot wait for such a momentous occasion

Steve,
you are tying hard to make this about yourself, (talk about narcissistic) but it was never intended as such.


Forget about coffee and tea, red does it for me !

[stolar]

this being my thread and about me let me take this opportunity to extend this oldy but goody to all that agree with me or not and those that i do agree with and particularly to those that i do not agree with, and all others that may not be covered by the beforementioned:

Best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most joyous traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, but with respect for the religious persuasion of others who choose to practice their own religion as well as those who choose not to practice a religion at all;


Additionally,
a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the generally accepted calendar year 2011, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions have helped make our society great, without regard to the race, creed, color, religious, or sexual preferences of the wishes.

(Disclaimer: This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others and no responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.)