Rant from a workplace counsellor

[Termite]

Oh, and us Tasmanian engineers are obviously better again aren't we?

Of couse you are, as they say "Two heads are better than one".

[CameronPotter]

Of couse you are, as they say "Two heads are better than one".

Funny thing is that I wasn't even born in Tassie, but I still have the scar!:eek:

[journeyman Mick]

Next time you have a session Clint, just hand these out.



Al

Al,


Mick

[ozwinner]

Sorry..

All I can think is......
You are here on planet earth, deal with it.
You are given a once in a life time opertunity to do it right.
F(!)ck up, and you pay the price.
I am not here to help you.
Get over yourself.
Your place will be filled by someone else, and quickly.
Dont you watch the wildlife channels, thats how life is.

Anyone want counceling get in touch, I will put you back in touch with reality faster than you can blink.

Al :mad:

[echnidna]

What about telling the whingers just how incredibly lucky they are

They live in a democracy
and can have a whinge without the secret police bumping them off

They live in a prosperous country
they don't have to scavenge at the rubbish tip for their food

Their government provides many types of welfare to needy people.
they don't have to crawl in the bush to find a place to die.

[boban]

I dont know about Universities being the cause, but like everywhere else it always seemed to be the weirdos that made the most noise, at least at Sydney Uni. My perception perhaps.

I always thought family and friends were there for you as a sounding board. We all go through bad patches and most of us dont need a "type 2 classic such and such diagnosis" from a shrink of some type to help us cope.

Life has ups and downs and you've got to deal with both.

[Daddles]

I always thought family and friends were there for you as a sounding board. We all go through bad patches and most of us dont need a "type 2 classic such and such diagnosis" from a shrink of some type to help us cope.

But in recognising this, please don't forget that many of us WILL suffer something that needs more than a chat with Dad or a yarn with the big brother. Suicide still kills more men than alcohol and road crashes - it's behind heart attacks, but that's it. How depressed do you have to be to commit suicide? Pretty bloody bad, and it's the second killer of men in this country.

That doesn't mean that the slackers and the panic merchants don't need some sorting out, but the 'big, tough, Aussie bloke' image is a killer.

Richard
BT luckily didn't DT

[JDarvall]

Next time you have a session Clint, just hand these out.



Al

You cheeky bugger ! ......:eek: Oh, I mean, thats just HORRIBLE, 'arold ....how insensitive !

[JDarvall]

What about telling the whingers just how incredibly lucky they are

They live in a democracy
and can have a whinge without the secret police bumping them off

They live in a prosperous country
they don't have to scavenge at the rubbish tip for their food

Their government provides many types of welfare to needy people.
they don't have to crawl in the bush to find a place to die.

Can never question that !!!....agree entirely. Problem is, nobody understands these things until they actually go through these hardships.

I told my 8 year old daughter a similar thing the other day........uno, ' eat your food...people on the other side of the world are starving' uno same old guilt trip............and she said ' WELL, send it them ! '....she got up and stormed off to her room........ . (just quietly, I quite liked it,...gutsy little girl)

[dazzler]

MacDonald Fraser, like my dad and all his brothers and brothers-in-law, had a different experience on demobilisation from what Vietnam vets faced on their return. The WWII warriors were met with - generally speaking - the appropriate welcome for heroes of a just war. The great majority of their countrymen and women were glad to see them back, glad it was all over, delighted they were all still alive and looking forward to the future.

Vietnam vets had faced all the bloody awful horror of war (adventure or not) and came back generally to be scorned, put down or ignored and to face, subsequently, the kind of attitude presented by the dickheaded professor in Doug's post.

So there was a significant difference in the post-war experiences of George MacDonald Fraser and my dear old dad compared to that of some of the blokes of my generation who went to Vietnam. Nevertheless, MacDonald Fraser's views on counselling and the blame culture are worth reading if you get your hands on his book.

Col

Hi Driver,

Its interesting the vietnam vets issue that was raised. My father, who is an ex HMAS Voyager sailor, recently found out that he and other navy members are eligable to be deemed vietnam veterans due to the length of time in mission when doing escorts.

Anyway, he has now taken on the Vietnam vets persona along with his PTSD from the Voyager incident.

Had an interesting exchange the other day;

Dad: "they spat on us you know, when we came back"
Me: "Who spat on you"
Dad: "The public"
Me: "What on you"
Dad: "no on vets"
Me: "who got spat on"
Dad: " I dont know, but they spat on us ya know"
Me: "Did anyone you know get spat on"
Dad: "No, but they did"
Me: " So what did you do? Smack in the face"
Dad: "No, but they spat on us you know"

i always struggle with the image of any soldier coming back from a tour and taking it on the chin when some POS spat at them. Most would have knocked the POS out cold.

A few days later I was chating with a professor of psychiatry, who treats my partner who has a brain injury, and asked him about it. It was interesting what he had to say.

His view on a lot of the recently diagnosed Vets with PTSD are actually contracting the illness through counselling. His view was that as a lot of vets are now at retiring age, like many people retiring, become depressed due to the change in life/value that occurs at this time. They then seek counselling, the fact they were in vietnam comes out and they are made to relive the experience and bingo they are diagnosed with PTSD due to being vets.

He reckons for a lot counselling is the worst thing they can do, at least as far as looking for answers in the past is concerned.

Still confused.:confused:


dazzler

P.S If you are a vet and this upsets you I apologise completely, just interesting is all.

[echnidna]

I agree with the Professor of Physcho.
If you endure some real hard ####.
forget about it before it stuffs you right up
Get on with living.

[Daddles]

I agree with the Professor of Physcho.
If you endure some real hard ####.
forget about it before it stuffs you right up
Get on with living.

Sadly, that doesn't always work mate. It's a nice theory but a sh it ideal. No, I'm not an apologist for therapy, just someone who's stood on a wharf looking down ...

Richard

[bsrlee]

For Dan P - you obviously needed a better class of probationary.

I am reminded of an acquaintance -'Sue' - who seemed to have a real problem with another employee - 'Sister'. One night shift we were discussing various things and it came out that 'Sister' had been 'Sue's training officer/partner when one night they were called to a fight at a local pub.

Things quickly got a bit sticky, with a large hostile crowd gathering, and 'Sue' turned around for some advice from her 'senior' constable, only to find that 'Sister', with the keys, had locked her self in the paddy-waggon cab with the windows up & wasn't coming out. Luckily 'Sue' had lots of grit & managed to keep talking until some more crews arrived, but strangely didn't think much of her training officer.

[boban]

Richard, I see what you're saying and must say I didn't look at it from that perspective, ie an illness.

[Termite]

Richard, I see what you're saying and must say I didn't look at it from that perspective, ie an illness.

A very serious illness at that. Recent figures show that on average 5 men commit suicide through depression every day. I know where Richard is coming from, I'm a survivor too.