Speed Cameras

[Zed]

you're all mad! nothing works ever! :mad:

Not the cops, the public service, politicians, public transport, road systems, the trucking industry etc ad-nauseum. :eek:

who gives a toss anyway ? get on with your lives and stop these feeble attempts to indoctrinate each other - unless one of you is a budding ghandi of course who will lead by passive resistance somehow....

Next thing you'll be designing detector for Oz's fart tax!

[Zed]

Originally Posted by LineLefty
. They do not raise revenue for their own purposes, every cent goes back into the community!!!!

Ha x 2,000,000 !!!

except for the dollars they vote into thier own super and pay rises of course and thier own pet projects, etc...

who's living in fantasy land then eh ???? how would you like to buy a bridge Mate ??? got one for sale right here - all yours....

[craigb]

except for the dollars they vote into thier own super and pay rises of course and thier own pet projects, etc...

And the money they pay to "consultants" to tell them where to put the cameras, and the overseas "study" trips to find out where the speeding black spots are in St Tropez and the conferences they organise to tell each other what a great job they are doing for "the community".. and ...and ...

[DanP]

Next is the police.What a bunch of pussies they are.We all know the cameras are manned by privateers.But the police tell them where to place them.

If you are going to pass comment I suggest you read the previous posts carefully. If you have a good look at one of my first posts you will see that I said that the camera's are run privately and they are given a general area to operate in. THEY chose the exact location. For example, a camera operator is told, Burke Road, Kew. There is a fair bit of Burke Road, Kew to pick from.

Another difference between us and the europeans.Generally they dont ping you unless you doing more than 20 k over in most countries. Here a copper will ping you doing 5 k's over.

I have never met a police man, and I know a few, who will book anyone for doing less than 10km/h over. UNLESS, the driver is a pain in the backside and has a crap attitude. Does this tell you something.

They have lost all my support that i might have had for them.

I doubt there ever was any and even if there was, it's no great loss to lose the respect of a person who deserves none.

I can see the strings pulled by the goverment , they are just puppets.IF public opinion has changed about them they deserve it

In case you hadn't noticed, we are a Government Department. They make the laws and we enforce them. INCLUDING the use of speed cameras.

Public opinion has never been as strong for the police in Victoria as it is now. You live in the safest state in the country for one reason. Because of the hard work, guts and determination of those you call pussies.

Dan. (Biting my tongue) :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[glenn k]

How about the government prove that they arn't addicted to speed camera revenue and funnel the money from the fines back into improving the quality of our roads?



Ben.

I have heard that the money from speed cameras goes to a private company not the government. They just sell the rights to run the cameras. Has anyone ever seen speed camera money shown in government figures?

If this is correct which I believe it is what does a company think about profit or safty?

[Ben from Vic.]

Glenn K.

I got this off the Victorian Governments Arive Alive web site.
Click on the quote to get to the web site (look down the bottom of the page to find the quote).


"In the State Budget, the Government outlined that expected revenue from police fines would be $427.5 million in the 2003/04 financial year."


And a little something extra.


"In Victoria, the road toll has been steadily climbing since 1999, something the Bracks government has swept under the rug, and been inept at fixing. However, the Vic Government raked in a massive speeding earner of $334 million in fiscal 2002-2003 against 2001-2002's $104 million. Much of that will come from those exceeding the speed limit by less than 15km/h. It's a pity the growth in revenue doesn't correspond to a reduction in death - Victoria's road toll for 2002 looks like being line-ball with the 396 lives lost there in 2001."



Ben.

[mixo]

I called the police force pussies in not the way they do their overall job, but in the way they keep the silence on this issue, always backing whatever the minister says.

Most of hitlers men where following(orders0 what their goverment said, you going to say everyone follows whatever the minister says????

All I saying there whould be some balance.There is none now.

mixo

[ozwinner]

You sure do have a way with words Mixo, are you going to try to upset every board member?

Your not Ken are you???

You probably need to meet people in person before you start putting them down for what they do, but I dont suppose face to face is you thing is it??

Al, friend of a cop or two. :mad:

[DavidG]

I will stand by what I said before.

The only people upset by speed cameras and radar are the very people who do not obey the law. :mad:

[ozwinner]

Public opinion has never been as strong for the police in Victoria as it is now. You live in the safest state in the country for one reason. Because of the hard work, guts and determination of those you call pussies.

Dan. (Biting my tongue) :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Dan next time we meet, Ill bring a saucer of milk for you.
Sorry, couldnt help it.

Al

[Sturdee]

I called the police force pussies in not the way they do their overall job, but in the way they keep the silence on this issue, always backing whatever the minister says.

Most of hitlers men where following(orders) what their goverment said, you going to say everyone follows whatever the minister says????

All I saying there whould be some balance.There is none now.

mixo

Mixo,

I was born during the Nazi occupation of Holland and my parents experienced personally the treatment of Hitlers police. One example was when a Gestapo officer was in our home and held a gun at my mothers head everytime the door bell rang because they were trying to catch her brother who was due to call in that afternoon.

Your efforts to compare that kind of attitude with the Victorian police not speaking out against the minister concerned shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what the Nazi's really were.

Now I don't personally know Dan, but his posts made perfect sense. If there is balance needed than the public, not the police, should make their voice heard. Only then will the government listen.


Peter.

[DanP]

The only people upset by speed cameras and radar are the very people who do not obey the law. :mad:

This is a fairly open statement. I can't say that I hate speed cameras, because, if utilised correctly they could be a sensible and great weapon to use against the road toll. It's the way they are used that I have a beef with.

Mixo. If you read papers or watch the news (unlikely) you would have seen not long ago that there was a story about the police in Melbourne speaking out against the way that speed cameras are used. It was at about the time that a study in Europe found that cameras have little or no effect on the road toll. The police who speak on the use of cameras in the media are Command, who are more or less directly employed by the Government. For them to speak out against the governments policies would be like you telling your boss to GF. Not good for your career prospects. (If you work that is)

Ben, regarding the "rising" Road Toll, I don't have the stats handy but I can get them. The road toll has remained steady for several years give or take twenty or so. I can recall a slogan from about 10 - 15 years ago, "Make war on 1084" That was the road toll back then. I think we have come a long way since then. No unnatural death is acceptable but there will always be deaths on the road, and not all will be someones fault. Sometimes people doing the right thing lose control of their car due to factors outside their control. If this happens on a Highway there will be serious accidents.

Al, Meow

Glenn, the money goes straight into consolidated revenue, a slice taken by Civic Compliance, the company who runs the cameras. The rest is the Governments to use as it sees fit. In their defence, a lot of money is used by the TAC in anti road toll ads and other associated things.

Dan

[RETIRED]

And on Dans note, this thread is closed before verbal war sets in.