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23rd September 2020, 08:59 AM #61SENIOR MEMBER
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Wooden Plane
I should share with you a question which I posed to Judge Alan (fletty) last night.
My original challenge to Matt was to make a wooden plane - that has morphed into any sort of plane for woodwork . But a question for you: is it possible to make a plane (including the blade) entirely from wood? If so what wood could be sharpened to produce a shaving from pine?
Anyhow that got me thinking - is it possible to make a plane blade out of timber that would be able to make of shaving from a piece of pine?
Let's have your considered opinions,
Alan has not replied yet - he probably thinks the oldgreybeard has lost his marbles. D
Cheers
Bob
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23rd September 2020, 09:44 AM #62
I’m with Alan.
For any tool to cut, it must be harder than the item being cut.
Ok it might work on Balsa wood.
Cheers Matt.
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23rd September 2020, 09:49 AM #63SENIOR MEMBER
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To the blade question first.... the answer is less about can it be done but how well it could be done and what sort of shaving and width is deemed working. A dense close grained hardwood should be able to be sharpened enough to get a bevel shaving from pine so it would/should pass a narrow specific criteria.
On the thought of the original intent of a "made from wood" plane, i know i didn't interpret the challenge as posted in that way and i do think the differing options thrown up so far are diverse and interesting
I have some hard dense wood from an old railway sleeper that is unfriendly to even carbide tools so tempting to throw a bit into the mill and see if it can be done.
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23rd September 2020, 10:19 AM #64SENIOR MEMBER
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I agree that the option to use different designs and materials has produced a more varied and interest challenge. I have an old Ironwood 'chopping block' down behind the shed. I might attack that with the chainsaw and see if I can make a blade from it that will produce some sort of shaving from a piece of pine.
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23rd September 2020, 10:37 AM #65
This does beg the question: "What is the point?"
I agree that it can be done. But I think that there would be no practical benefit on doing so beyond the challenge of making it happen.
It would most probably take a lot of trial and error to determine the most suitable edge geometry to achieve, for a very short time, a result that can be achieved much quicker and easier by other means. Once you have achieved a shaving with a wooden blade from a piece of pine,where do you go from there. I cannot see it leading to any scientific breakthrough that will end climate change, world poverty or Covid-19 lockdown. Once you have the photo framed and on the mantlepiece its all over and forgotten.
But, hey, if it gives you a sense of purpose I'm not going to stand in your way.
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23rd September 2020, 11:09 AM #66SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks for your comments Doug. There is no point to it - but since it was alluded to, curiosity kicked in and I need more practice in building the laminated plane body before I start on my 'competition piece'. So, why not?
Cheers,
Bob
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23rd September 2020, 11:17 AM #67
My two cents - it won't work. I'm no historian, but I'd guess there is not any reference at any time throughout human history of wood being used as the blade material for a tool (I can't find any with a cursory online search). Bone, stone, and various metals, yes. Wooden nails and pegs pretty well need a pre-drilled hole (Vampire slayers excepted), but they are fasteners more than tools.
For an attempt to try it, one needs to define what constitutes success/fail. I.e., x-thickness shaving by y-width and z-length (although extra points would be awarded for starting a fire).
Maybe too, the criteria should be that only wood can be used to make the entire tool? (starting with a standing tree ).
But don't let me discourage you.
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23rd September 2020, 11:49 AM #68
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23rd September 2020, 04:49 PM #69Deceased
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Bob,
Instead of a wooden or steel blade why not make the blade, or even the whole plane, out of Corian.
If you want to go this way I can supply the stuff out of my store, I can even give you quite a few colours.
Peter.
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23rd September 2020, 04:58 PM #70SENIOR MEMBER
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25th September 2020, 09:46 AM #71GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Bob. If you search for Matt Estlea on YouTube, he had a crack at a wooden plane blade a little while ago.
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29th September 2020, 08:32 PM #72SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks MA, didn't find the You Tube you reference but I did find this
"http://inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/BuildingaJackPlane.html". Absolutely brilliant and should be read by everyone of us .Please mention how impressed you were - not that I'm looking for brownie points from one of our esteemed judges but it is signed:
I hope yours turns out as satisfying as mine.
Regards from Perth
Derek
Bob
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3rd October 2020, 08:33 PM #73SENIOR MEMBER
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Big brother is watching. You have been warned
Matt has instructed me to update you all with the latest stats.
Days left in challenge: 175
Total Woodwork and Metalwork Forum Members who have viewed the announcement post :A total of 210 members have viewed my post of 7 September announcing the 2020-2021 Plane Building Challenge.
Number of registrations for the challenge: There are currently 18 members who have registered - including 2 from Canada and 1 from USA.
Number of posts: Collectively there have been 609 posts to the 18 individual threads (not including the Judges Corner and Tips, techniques and Theory sticky threads)
Number of views of the registered members posts: In total the 609 posts have been viewed 17,325 times or approximately 22 new posts and almost 650 views per day.
Of the total of 210 members who have viewed the original announcement, 8.5% have taken up the challenge.
Neil, Ubeaut, our benevolent dictator should be suitable impressed. Keep up the good work guys
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3rd October 2020, 08:45 PM #74SENIOR MEMBER
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Oh, great. Now I've got stage fright and it's still a week before I can go and hide in my shed.
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3rd October 2020, 09:45 PM #75