if you dont believe in global warming sign this

[China]

Regardleess of wether you believe in global warming or not do your reaserch and you will find that "Copenhagen" has very little to do with global warming or ETS agreements

[wolften]

Hundreds gathered recently to protest global warming.

[damian]

The Hubbert Peak Theory of Rock, or, Why We’re All Out of Good Songs | Overthinking It

While we're posting chuckles.

Note this graph has a much better correlation than most supporting human driven climate change...(couldn't resist a jab )

[hughie]

This much I do know, that many have made much out of this and when confronted with a different view, will often ridiculed that alternate view to strengthen their own point of view.

I note also that it was not so long ago, the 70's in fact, we were supposedly heading into a Ice Age.

One does wonder whats next? If the sky is not falling?Perhaps we can be convinced the earth is rising

[.RC.]

It is amusing that it is mainly middle class wanting an ETS, but it is middle class that is going to pay for it all...

Remember all the poor people will be compensated by the government for any extra costs the ETS puts on them..

If you own a restaurant or are in tourism, that will be the first sector hit as middle class Australia have to tighten their belts to pay for the "Extra Tax Scheme"

[.RC.]

Regardleess of wether you believe in global warming or not do your reaserch and you will find that "Copenhagen" has very little to do with global warming or ETS agreements

Copenhagen is about the redistribution of wealth from "rich" to poor.. The ETS will accelerate this as virtually all manufacturing is sent off shore to countries that will be "allowed" to increase their emissions.. These countries will then hold all the cards and they will be able to blackmail us if we wish to keep up our very high standard of living...

[rrobor]

Yep it seems this will go the same way as the renovative forum, politics, scare tactics and BS.
All running around like the little red hen saying the sky is going to fall in. Its all woof, no teeth. Who built Australia? It was rag bags from Europe. They did it because the could think and work and use their head.
This thing, whether you agree with it or not, will happen. Running around screaming the sky is falling is the defeatist view. Look for way you can suceed. As usual those that do will, those that want to hang on to the hand loom and cry, wont.

[.RC.]

This thing, whether you agree with it or not, will happen. Running around screaming the sky is falling is the defeatist view. Look for way you can suceed. As usual those that do will, those that want to hang on to the hand loom and cry, wont.

LOL isn't saying it will happen regardless a defeatist attitude...

[rrobor]

The vast majority of world governments believe that global warming is a fact. You can take that, that its defeatist, or you can take it as banging your head against a brick wall. Whatever way you wish to look at it you or I aint going to change that. So are you going to fight against the tide or are you going to be smart , and invent something that needs the tide. Playing politics with this one, in the end will prove to not be a smart move. Next election quote me on that.

[johnc]

Copenhagen is about the redistribution of wealth from "rich" to poor.. The ETS will accelerate this as virtually all manufacturing is sent off shore to countries that will be "allowed" to increase their emissions.. These countries will then hold all the cards and they will be able to blackmail us if we wish to keep up our very high standard of living...

Give me a break, the ETS will have an impact like a tax (which it is) it may dampen manufacturing in some areas but for those with new ideas it will open opportunities. It will also direct those taxes to others in many ways it is not much different to other aspects of the system we live in. At this stage it is not through the upper house and it is still to early to see what its final design will be. To talk in absolutes as you do, with this or that being the only outcome indicates you have a closed mind incapable of seeing that a coin has more than one side. It also will not be set in stone, like everything else politicians do, it will change over time if it gets in at all. I'm open on the ETS I would like to see a lot more than what I have read before I form an opinion as there is insufficient detail to do so. I don't believe its the answer at this stage, but I don't believe its a destroyer either. In Europe some of the complaints are that it pushed up power prices with windfall gains to the generators.

The effect on business of extreme weather (as we have experienced in the last decade of drought & flood) is probably greater than an ETS can deliver, interference in free trade with subsidies, price gouging and dumping of products is also greater than many realise.

Copenhagen will be a talkfest, its not much different to many others on trade, climate and border protection. Regardless of what side people sit on sensationalism of these meetings achieves nothing more than highlighting the bigotry of the person delivering it.

[rrobor]

Sure ETS will cause major issues, we all know that. But what you going to do about it. If you have any sense you know, right or wrong its not going to go away. So what you gonna do. Sit in the corner and moan. Or see how you can suceed with that in place. That is the challenge of this age. Can you suceed, or are you going to continue to whine and fail.

[.RC.]

Next election quote me on that.

Why??? Labor will win the next election easily... The opposition are a mob of fools led by by an unelectable leader.. Labor is even worse..

[rrobor]

You really are a happy chappy. Nothing but complaints. Everybody is an idiot. If thats what you believe, get off your beam and do something. This is a democratic country it is up to us all to keep it that way. If you are in the minorrity accept that and make the best of it. But you sure aint doing much flinging your hands in the air and crying woe with me.

[kiwigeo]

The Hubbert Peak Theory of Rock, or, Why We’re All Out of Good Songs | Overthinking It

While we're posting chuckles.

Note this graph has a much better correlation than most supporting human driven climate change...(couldn't resist a jab )

I don't quite understand your last comment....Hubbert Peak Oil Theory ( prefer to call it fact) has nothing to do with human driven climate change.

[kiwigeo]

I note also that it was not so long ago, the 70's in fact, we were supposedly heading into a Ice Age.

One does wonder whats next? If the sky is not falling?Perhaps we can be convinced the earth is rising

The impending ice age that was talked about in the 70's was based on a slight downward trend in temps between 1945 and the early 70's and although the overall consensus amongst the scientific community at the time was that an impending ice age was _not_ occuring the press chose to ignore the scientific understanding of ice age cycles and presented the impending ice age as fact.... thus another urban myth was created.