You think Australia has a Nuclear Future

[echnidna]

Those that believe we should go Nuclear are relying on the experts to be totally infallible.

But didn't experts from 3 different nations build;
The Titanic,
The Space Shuttle,
Chernobyl.

Not to mention the problems if terrorists or rogue nations lay their hands on some suitable waste.

But those that think we shouldn't go nuclear,
must have their heads in the sand,
where is the energy for the expanding world poulation going to come from?



hmmm, it seems like I just offended both sides of the debate.

[dazzler]

Hi

Whats wrong with having an inquiry into the viability of nuclear power for Australia.

Its an inquiry , you know, lets get some experts and they can look into it and present some findings at the end.

Or perhaps they should just get an online forum and everyone can lay there willies in a line and see who wins. . Settle petals

[echnidna]

i remeber watching some show on teeve and they said that there was less than 100kg of "waste" aropund the joint, however this could be propoganda. either way its not that much physically - I still reckon send it to the sun....

But what if the rocket does a space shuttle just after takeoff?

[Dan_574]

but why is it an inquiry into nuclear energy only, why not all viable types of alternative energy, there are a mulitude of alternatives that should be explored.

[echnidna]

probably coz theres enough info from around the world to substantiate that its the most cost effective energy.

[dazzler]

but why is it an inquiry into nuclear energy only, why not all viable types of alternative energy, there are a mulitude of alternatives that should be explored.

Spot on Dan. Thats what the opposition should be saying .

Lets look at everything.

Unemployed fat people jumping into wave power pools:confused:

Old people on treadmills making power to get the pension:confused:

See....just takes some beer to think of these things

[Toolin Around]

Couldn't give a s h i t where it was all I saw were some increadibly hurting people - broke my heart. The increadible potential for good is imeasurable and beyond the minds eye but we just keep f#cking it up.

[echnidna]

and a bank of methane collecting hoses for those who phart a lot.
Just insert a hose and away they go !!!!!

[DanP]

the wind won't stop, the sun won't stop shining, regardless of how much we use. I know I'd rather recycle a wind turbine than a nuclear power plant!

Problem is wind, solar and water generated power is insufficient to power the entire grid. You need turbines driven by an energy source that supplies a lot of heat to keep up. Only coal, gas and fission can supply enough heat to make it a viable and efficient option. The byproduct of coal fired turbines is environmentally damaging. The byproduct of fission, whilst the reactor is running, is steam. Yes there are issues with transport and waste etc, but I don't think there is a great deal of choice. The coal and gas will one day run out and what do we do then? Rely on wind/sun/water powered plant that does not supply the amount of power required to get the job done and costs a lot more to produce.

the last bit about Greenies(environmentalists) is way biased, a very prejudiced view I would have thought.

I will give you a hint, if you look at the end of the paragraph you will see a smilie poking it's tongue out. Think about it.

I won't continue with what I was going to say.

Why not? I'm always up for a good laugh. If you don't want to say it then why allude to it.:confused:

Dan

[Shedhand]

From the link;

Thorium can also be used as a nuclear fuel through breeding to uranium-233 (U-233).

mmmmmmmmmm........mood music, some essential oils, go you dirty little buggers

you're obsessed mate.

[Harry72]

What about water power... HHO gas!
Yup power by water, been around for some time but its been kept quiet by the oil companys... you know the ones that keep increasing the oil prices purely for their own profit.
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/oilcorps.html

[Grunt]

Harry, it doesn't actually work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

[Grunt]

The coal and gas will one day run out and what do we do then? Rely on wind/sun/water powered plant that does not supply the amount of power required to get the job done and costs a lot more to produce.

Uranium will run out too. If they actually build enough reactors to make a difference with global warming, we'll run out of usable Uranium in a few years.

If we start down the path of nuclear, it will take 10 years before get a working reactor.

In that time Australia's population willl have increased by 3+ million. Each year as individuals, we consume more power.

This means by the time the reactor is built, we'll won't be able to turn off any of the coal stations. We'll still pollute as much as we do now.

We need to stop increasing our population. It's bad for the world.

As long as we continue to consume and our population continues to increase we use resources faster and faster. We will run out. The world is finite. We cannot consume infinitely.

It is going to end in tears.

[Greg Ward]

No it won't end in tears, unless a pandemic eventuates.

But it will end in a big change to life as we know it, as the cost of services and products increases due to huge increases in demand and/or shortages of supply.

Kids will have to learn to walk to school again and public transport will become very popular
Water tanks will provide much of our water.
Demand for fuel will drop as prices increase
We will use some renewables and their use will increase and biofuels will assist in transition.

We can't have constant growth forever, so we will have to suffer a period of transition where we come to live with zero or 'negative' growth.

It won't come in our lifetime, but future generations will live a more frugal more technologically advanced existance. We will have to come to grips with a more sedate life as a species.

There have always been 'eletes' that garner the gold and live a golden life. They will still be around, but the general population will begin to grow vegies and walk.

Greg

[Andy Mac]

wind/sun/water powered plant that does not supply the amount of power required to get the job done and costs a lot more to produce.

Costs a lot more to produce, and the price of energy therefore goes up, so people use less. The cost of fossil fuels and I dare say nuclear fuel will go up too, as it gets harder to find...and companies get greedier.



I will give you a hint, if you look at the end of the paragraph you will see a smilie poking it's tongue out. Think about it.

Yeah I did, briefly, and I bit! Probably thought it was a "shove that in your pipe and smoke it" face...

Why not? I'm always up for a good laugh. If you don't want to say it then why allude to it.:confused: Dan

OK. I typed something to the effect that I've always read your posts and quite enjoyed them, you come across as a reasonable, unbiased sort of a bloke...and that statement about Greenies seemed out of character. I should have gone with my initial appraisal, obviously!

Anyway. I honestly believe we (humankind) will live to lament our decision if we go nuclear, without giving renewable sources the same R&D (ie. $$$), coupled with a change in lifestyle. By that I mean progress for the sake of it, in which we need to consume so much. Of everything.
And I have a feeling that one reason R&D is not huge, is that wind, sun and tide etc is too hard to tax and hold a monopoly over.

Rant over.