Lance Armstrong....

[kiwigeo]

still not a hero ....heros put their lives at risk to save others not play sport and win.

Pete

Your definition of a hero is a bit restrictive. Myself and many others consider Professor Fred Hollows a hero.....he neither saved lives or put his life at risk to do so. What he did do is save the eyesight of thousands of people in third world countries.

I also consider Neil Armstrong a hero...he endangered his own life to get to the moon but didn't save any other lives in the process.

My definition of a hero is anyone who displays courage and good qualities.....someone that others aspire to be.

[kiwigeo]

He still has his supporters but then again Bike riding , dressing up in lycra , winging about cars not giving you road space , ignoring every road rule ( stop signs, traffic lights , crossings etc ) and now wondering why it has cheats and doppers as the heroes and role models , ..... you want excercise go for a walk or have ride the town bike, freedom of the road buy a propper bike

Underneath every middle aged man knocking lycra is a middle aged man WANTING to wear lycra

[corbs]

He still has his supporters but then again Bike riding , dressing up in lycra , winging about cars not giving you road space , ignoring every road rule ( stop signs, traffic lights , crossings etc ) and now wondering why it has cheats and doppers as the heroes and role models...

Sorry but I can't agree with your sentiments Ashore. The people he has hurt most are cyclists through the damage to the reputation of the sport. The people you refer to above aren't cyclists, they are people on bikes. I ride and I'm the first to have a go at others on bikes doing any of the actions you've pointed out above.

On my bike I obey every law that you have to in your car, I only wish to be treated as an equal on the road and not a potential speed bump.

[mic-d]

Until he confesses to genocide or bringing down a democratically elected government or acts of terrorism, which deserve the sort of air time it's getting... meh.

[Bushmiller]

Can I change tack just ever so slightly.

When money is introduced to sport there is an vastly increased incentive to win. When money is present at the level of top class cycling the incentive is there to win at all cost; No holds barred.

In a way, the only thing I find surprising is that we are continually surprised. Any sport that attracts huge prize money and requires physical strength or stamina is suspect. As the drug testing becomes more rigorous the drugs become more sophisticated and the exponents more adept at defeating the tests.

For me, I assume, (arguably incorrectly) that any standout athlete in the physical disciplines is suspect. Include in this athletics, swimming, weightlifting (in particular) and of course cycling. The football codes would be suspect too.

I don't really care ( although I am disappointed ) as most of the time I don't bother to watch them. It wasn't always that way. I emerged childhood thinking that life revolved around and existed primarily to play sport.

Today I wouldn't know which cricket team is touring Australia, who won the World cup (soccer) or who won Wimbledon. I watched about one hours worth of the last Olympics.

Some of this is because I've moved on, but some is because of growing disenchantment with the antics of the athletes and their ethics. I guess if you mind that there is cheating going on you should walk away and when I think about it that is just what I have done.

As for the despicable and very unsympathetic Lance Armstong, he made a big mistake. He got caught and now he is going to pay the price. If he is lucky he will come out of this disgraced and a pauper. Unlucky and he will go to the pen.

My own thoughts are that, taking his past behaviour and his arrogance, he has aggravated enough people during his career to ensure they pursue him through the courts until he owns just the clothes he stands up in.

Did I say I don't care. Probably not true as I am making way too much noise for somebody who doesn't care .

Regards
Paul

[Ozkaban]

Sorry but I can't agree with your sentiments Ashore. The people he has hurt most are cyclists through the damage to the reputation of the sport. The people you refer to above aren't cyclists, they are people on bikes. I ride and I'm the first to have a go at others on bikes doing any of the actions you've pointed out above.

On my bike I obey every law that you have to in your car, I only wish to be treated as an equal on the road and not a potential speed bump.

I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. You would be surprised at the number of people in the cycling community who have a go at rule breakers. You don't see that at all in the motoring community... And spare me the red-light rhetoric. It's a small percentage and needs to be stamped out, but they don't install red light cameras to catch bikes. If no cars ran red lights they wouldn't be there.

[corbs]

Soon to be a book and maybe even a movie

It should be noted that the book isn't written by Lance though, interesting to see what Sony do with their version referenced at the bottom

[Wongo]

[jimbur]

Abc radio quotes him as saying about a Sunday Times journalist who was getting near to the truth:

'F...ing Walsh, f...ing little troll, casting his spell on people, liar. I've won six Tours. I've done everything I ever could do to prove my innocence. I have done, outside of cycling, way more than anyone in the sport. To be somebody who's spread himself out over a lot of areas, to hopefully be somebody who people in this city, this state, this country, this world can look up to as an example. And you know what? They don't even know who David Walsh is. And they never will. And in 20 years nobody is going to remember him. Nobody.' Lance Armstrong, 2004.

[Wongo]

Makes you wonder who gave Armstrong his dictionary.

[Bushmiller]

Makes you wonder who gave Armstrong his dictionary.

A @#$%^&g nobody, that's who .

Regards
Paul

[jimbur]

Makes you wonder who gave Armstrong his dictionary.

You mean his copy of Mein Bumpf?

[Drillit]

Well I think it is all over red rover - life means life and he cannot recover and must not be able to compete in sports.
It would be a good thing if he voluntarily repaid his illgotten gains. If not - go away. Drillit.

[hughie]

Dunno, of all those title he had to hand back etc. I have nothing about the next guy inline getting it... or did I miss it? Or maybe they think they all are takers.

[jimbur]

Dunno, of all those title he had to hand back etc. I have nothing about the next guy inline getting it... or did I miss it? Or maybe they think they all are takers.

I don't think they're going to risk it Hughie.