New Shed- WIP

[Wild Dingo]

Yep even here the electrician has to sign off on the work done... weve already had several discussions about the electrics in my shed... one future S-I-L reckons just hard wire it ourselves easy enough to get the wire and circuits and all the gear... other future S-I-L is a lighting tech and leccy and hes sayin dont be so bloody stupid you cant do it yourself only a qualified leccy can... man those two are as contrary as is possible

me Im scared shyteless of lectrics bein colorblind and with a healthy respect for the deadly power of a faulty setup I will be going the way of the second F-S-I-L in fact hes going to do it!! all right an propa! well hes doin the wiring my son is doin the digging of the trench to the house! thats what havin so many kids does for you!!

Present thinking is to leave it as it is for now and wire it all up when the new house is about to happen (and after the next shed has been bought thats the shed her bloody highness is as yet unaware of and is secretly going to be bought by the one with the credit card who buys these things... ala me! )

Then the sheds can be wired and as the house goes up next to it the tools and such can be accessed through the shed and its only a hop skip and a jump to wire the house!

[JDub]

Okay some progress pics...... site prep.

Had to remove an old garden shed and bust up the dodgy slab under it....

[JDub]

Then because I had to do a slight site cut (350 at the deepest point), I put in a small retaining wall, went with 200x75 TP as most of it is behind the shed out of site so I didnt need a feature wall.....

The hole in the fence was necessary to get the bobcat in from the front yard, leaving the section out now till the shed is up, access for concrete etc etc

Next step, install drainage, backfill wall and then the slab...

[JDub]

Right,

Because Im killing time at work Ive been thinking about the electrical set up I will need in my new shed.

Because I am relative newbie to the world of woodworking I really only have basic machinary ATM (mitre saw, various hand power tools etc).....

I am hoping to expand this in the future

That in mind, what electrical set up would you suggest for my 6 x 3.5 x 2.7 workshop?

15 amp outlet?
how many standard 10a outlets? Wall mounted? Hanging from roof?
Lighting? (was thinking 3 x double fluros down the length of the shed and maybe one above the main bench??)

Please remember I do have a budget!!! LOL

Any advice/suggestions welcomed!!!

[HappyHammer]

Lighting? (was thinking 3 x double fluros down the length of the shed and maybe one above the main bench??)

Wow 4 doubles that sounds like a lot, my new garage https://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=39001 is 9m by 4.3m and I'm only putting in two double flouros am I under cooking it?

HH.

[JDub]

Wow 4 doubles that sounds like a lot, my new garage https://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=39001 is 9m by 4.3m and I'm only putting in two double flouros am I under cooking it?

HH.

That is the question isnt it? Are you under cooking or am I burning it to a crisp?

[DJ’s Timber]

My 9 x 6 mt shed, when I finally get round to putting it back up had, 9 double fluros and I will put 9 back in again

[Wild Dingo]

Yep... Ive discussed this with FSL (leccy) and his boss who came to have a yarn about what we need to do yesty... hes sayin cause Ive got 9x6 shed and have 4mtr bench down one side wall x 8mts of benches down the long side for those alone I should have 3 doubles over the benches for the smaller bench work (and cause the 4mtr one and the opposing 4 mtr bench are both under the timber loft) I should also have at least 4 in the main area above the tools/workarea and also one over the lathe (again under the timber loft) weve decided on a minimum of 8 double fluros and will allow for 2 more if we find we need them... I agree with him that lighting is needed and the numbers sound about right on what I was thinking... maybe singles under the timber loft and a couple of downlight type things over the benchs? Im still considering that as an option

And were installing 6 sheets of perspecx sheeting on the roof along with windows to the front (I dont call the shed the "cave" for nothing!)... the powerpoints... well thats just bloody huge!!

Double above the lathe... then a double just before the 4mtr bench for the spindle sander and compressor then 2 doubles on the 4mtr bench around to the other benches and Im thinking 4 doubles along that area (for the grinders and drill press) a dedicated single for the dusty next to that then one double on the far wall for extra one on the final wall for the same... I will be having a a double either side of the main support beam (only one in the first bay other bays stayed up without the need for a support roof sagged long story ) these will serve the router table and bandsaw which reside next to the beam there will be a pair of outlets on chains hanging from the roof over the jointer/thicknesser/table saw.

Outside were going for 2 double motion sensored spots in each corner of the roof along with an separate outside light and an outside powerpoint at each doorway... I always like outside powerpoints cause yer never know when you need to run a lead out there... like up to the new house when it starts going up... better to run a short 20mtr lead from the shed than a 80 to 100 mtrs from the old house

No 3phase... Id like it but then of course it would cost a heck of a lot more... AND Id have to replace all my tools :eek: ...mmmmm now why hadnt that crossed my mind while they were here!

And yes Im on a budget too!! ergo the FSIL doin it!! (under his bosses supervision of course as hes still an apprentice sparky) Ive also been told that if we can keep the new house to budget I can get a second shed!!! aahh she do loves me! So believe you me that new house will come in UNDER bloody budget!!

aaahhh I can see it now... this 9mtr x 6mtr shed the 40ft seatainer behind it as a finishin room (wired of course! ) a nice new 20mtr x 20mtr shed... and the new wee tiny 1 bedroom cottage out the back!! ah shyte I'll just get a ruddy great tent for this mob!! I can live in the shed

[JDub]

Draft electricity plan..... thoughts? critisisms? Improvements?

[Doughboy]

I would possibly put a couple of 10 amp outlets near the workbench and perhaps make the hanger a 15 amp instead of a 10. But that is just being picky.

Looking forward to seeing it progress.

Pete

[Auld Bassoon]

Wow 4 doubles that sounds like a lot, my new garage https://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=39001 is 9m by 4.3m and I'm only putting in two double flouros am I under cooking it?

HH.

I believe that you are under doing it.

You need 5000 Kelvin lighting, ie akin to daylight (subject to correction by the more learned!) for the main bench and over/around any machine.

For a finishing bench, you need directed light to highlight any scratches or imperfections so angled incandescents are best there.

For a new shed, I'd go for at least 2 15A circuits and a 10A socket every 2 ~ 3 metres around the shed. Much cheaper to do when conducting the initial installation than later on, and no blerry extensions leads!

[Auld Bassoon]

ah shyte I'll just get a ruddy great tent for this mob!! I can live in the shed

Stuff it Dingo! Just put some hammocks under the benches, and a shower & w/c outside

[JDub]

I would possibly put a couple of 10 amp outlets near the workbench and perhaps make the hanger a 15 amp instead of a 10. But that is just being picky.

Looking forward to seeing it progress.

Pete

Your eyes failing in your old age Pete? In the pic there are two 10a outlets, one on either side of the workbench..... unless you mean the other side/shelving unit/bench?

Problem is, not having much machinery ATM (nothing that requires 15a anyway) I dont really know what I need yet, so you blokes gotta tell me

[DJ’s Timber]

I would consider running 2 rows of single fluros rather then 1 row of doubles, less likely to have shadows with 2 rows. And what Steve says about p/points (every 2~3mts). Maybe get the 15 amps put in when you need them, as you should then know where you will need them when you get the machinery requiring the 15 amps

[JDub]

I have submitted the plans to ACT planning and land authority (our local council for approval which comes with fee of course) but now ACTPLA dont do any of the building certifications themselves, you have to employ a private certifier to do that.... and they all change a min of about $500 :eek:

and they also require a builder or owner builder to put it up by the sounds of it.... what a heap of friggin crap....
This means if I want to put it up myself I have to get a owner builders sheet not to mention the $700 of fees I have to pay to the council and certifier.... Dont think I can afford to get it put up by the pros anymore

makes you wanna tell em to get stuffed and not get is approved at all.....:mad:

Oh and then theres the electrical safety sheet your sparkie has to fill in and submit to ACT electricity and water as well....

No wonder people dont bother, its only a small friggin garden shed!!!!!!!!!

ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

For #@*s sake

Joel<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->