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8th August 2007, 07:18 PM #46
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8th August 2007, 07:52 PM #47
I agree with Alex and a couple of the others. Dazzler hasn't said anything racist.
Metal Head, you should be careful about citing Akermanis as an exemplar of freedom of speech. Most of what he says is designed to be deliberately provocative for no other reason than to stir up controversy. It's an old and tired excuse to justify a personal attack on the grounds that you're just expressing yourself freely. Samuel Johnson said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". He might equally have included people who use freedom of speech as an excuse for personal insults.
You're playing the man, not the ball. Accusing someone of racism without any real evidence is a nasty tactic. I can understand why Dazzler is demanding that you justify yourself. I reckon he's being very restrained. If you had accused me of racism in similar circumstances, I'd be a lot more outspoken.Driver of the Forums
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8th August 2007, 08:01 PM #48
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8th August 2007, 09:20 PM #49
For my mate Metal Head
Heres Dazzler spreading hate amongst the world;
Here he is handing out presents laced with smallpox
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Wheeling a drum of anthrax towards the local well
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Injecting acid into this kids eye
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Operation Racism - a complete succes
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8th August 2007, 09:58 PM #50
have cash in the bank and wait ,then jump into the house market when it is low sell when it goes up ,easy
stop buying junk you don't need CDs,new computors ,cars ,TV the size of a whole wall,smokeing ,drinking ,new cloths every year ,lunches ,cups of coffie for $3 wait to you get hope and have one for 5 cents,it all adds up
Metalhead just say sorrysmile and the world will smile with you
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8th August 2007, 10:16 PM #51
To go back to Silent's original observation...
the ABS is talking averages, so 2.5 people per household translates to a street where every odd numbered house contains a couple with no kids and every even numbered house a couple with 1 kid. At 3 bedrooms per house this means that the couple with the kid have a spare room for the grand parents to stay in when they drop in from 2 suburbs away, while the couple with no kids can accomodate at least 6 drunken friends (including the 2 who crashed on the lounge)
all a bit silly really when you talk averages.more likely the hypothetical street has families like Wongo's (4 people 4 bedrooms); mine (3 people, 3 bed rooms – one of which is used as a study); my neighbour to the left (1 person, 3 bedrooms hasn't had a house guest in the 14 years we've been neighbours); neighbour to the right (mum plus 1 kid, 3 bedrooms one used as a study); guy across the road (dad plus 3 kids in 3 bedrooms); my in-laws (3 adults, 4 bedrooms);
in other words lots of permutations.
when you look more closely at the demographics,
"couple with no kids" is more likley to represent a couple with adult kids who have left home than a young couple who have yet to start a family.
as to huge unnecessary mortages, 20 years ago it was fairly common for the developer of a new suburb to place a covenant on all the blocks requiring that all the houses to be some minimum size — the unstated purpose was to keep out the "riff raff" only professionals (and plumbers!) would be able to afford to buy and build there. The option of starting with a two bedroom cottage which could be extended as the family came along was not an option. I have no evidence that this practice doesn't continue to this day.
ian
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8th August 2007, 10:31 PM #52
Like you have no evidence that there is no God you mean?
If I sent you details on say twenty new estates which did not have covenants, would that be evidence?
Of course some do have minimum size requirements, but they aren't in first home buyer territory, and it would be a rare house indeed that would be built to the minimum size requirement.
The size is driven by the market ie the purchaser demand and no one else!
Sad, isn't it?
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8th August 2007, 11:21 PM #53
I reckon canberra is a great city to look at to see how small houses were in the 1920' and 30's and gradually got bigger.
Ainslie is one of the hot suburbs ATM and most are ex govt homes of about 9sq with 2 beds.
Dont think they had plasmas though
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8th August 2007, 11:42 PM #54
if the estates are on Sydney's fringe, yes
I'm also equating a covenant with those situations where the developer will sell you the block but you must pick your house from one of these 8 optionsOriginally Posted by bitingmidgeOriginally Posted by bitingmidge
ian
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9th August 2007, 02:54 AM #55SENIOR MEMBER
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You sound like Jack Wilson (aka Jack Palance) in Shane. "Go on Shane (Alan Ladd) PROVE IT" and he did. They don't make them like they use to.
It appears to have been a problem in the NSW police force and may well still be but on a smaller scale
Racist attitudes in the community
The Hon. P. F. O'GRADY - One place to start, and one that would certainly please many Koori leaders, is the Police Service. Attitudes recently exhibited by some members of the Police Service are a disgrace. They deserve the greatest condemnation, but they are only a fraction of a much wider problem. For many non-white groups, especially Kooris, the police are a constant presence in their lives. When one reads what has been said in many thousands of pages of reports, both State and Federal, during the past few years, one learns that simply being an Aborigine in New South Wales means that one is a target of the police. I cite as one example of that the Koori people who were travelling in a nice red car in Redfern earlier this month and were pulled over by police. The police admitted that they suspected the car was stolen because they were not used to Koori people driving such cars.
It must be hard Sgt Dazzler working with colleagues who are racists?. I was bought up in an area that was a mixture of people from the West Indies, Pakistan, India etc I used to get my head & body punched occassionally because I had coloured friends so I know what it is like dealing with WHITE "HONKEY TONKS" - white trash. However, I also know there is god & bad people in every race on this Earth.
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9th August 2007, 04:39 AM #56
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9th August 2007, 08:11 AM #57
Not funny, just reinforces my view that it's the buyers driving the market.
People tend to forget, if buyers didn't want a product, it wouldn't exist.
What happens historically in areas with covenants, is that they covenant is soon dropped when the market turns. They are nothing more than a marketing tool, to attract like buyers!
Cheers,
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9th August 2007, 08:14 AM #58
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9th August 2007, 08:24 AM #59
Wake up to yourself MH! Whatever we believe we all have colleagues who are racist in some form or other, being an (ex) copper doesn't make Dazzler any different to the rest of us. We'd be stupid to think that there weren't one or two police in NSW who didn't hold prejudices, but then we'd be stupid to think that one or two people on this board didn't as well. Dazzler just hasn't done anything to indicate he's one of them.
Maybe you were flogged because your attitude was misread, just as I think (hope) it has been here.
The racist card is one of the easiest and most gutless ones to play if one is looking to distract one from the real issue in debate.
I know some kids who were pulled over in a green car the other night, just because they were having fun. Maybe Dazzler's a party pooper too!
cheers,
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9th August 2007, 10:44 AM #60
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