Greenhouse gases.....grizzle time

[Termite]

You mean to tell me the earths not flat :eek: .....61 years of belief shattered in an instant, but you'll never convince me there's no Santa Claus 'cause I saw what DarrylF got this Xmas.

[echnidna]

course it's not flat!!!!!!!!!!
its got hills and mountains

[Auld Bassoon]

Just imagine all the gas from the Dinosaur's
Methane ?

Maybe the Permian-Triassic big extinction event wasn't caused by a cometary impact, but rather by a build up of all that methane, until one day: Whump! :eek:

[Auld Bassoon]

Hi Brudda,

Broadly I agree with the point that you are making, however, there are some exceptions.

1. The Rance tidal river in Normandy (France) has a road bridge across it (about 1.5Km if memory serves, and this bridge has been designed and engineered such that it a series of sluice gates and turbines (Pelton Wheels, I believe) built in to it to generate electrical power for supply to the French National Grid. Expensive? yes, but has apparently been written down to almost zero some twenty years after construction, and still has a fairly good life expectancy.

2. Solar power - not really viable yet for electrical power generation in a truly eco-sustainable way because of the energy cost of panel and battery. However, Solar heated water is eminently viable; very common indeed in South Africa, but invisible here. I've no idea why, unless it's because of the fast-buck merchants over-pricing things, unwarranted and broadly unnecessary regulation, control and licensing issues, etc?

3. Simple lifestyle things like using a clothes line or Hills Hoist (iconic!) instead of the grumble dryer - although I must admit to being as guilty as most on this.

On the matter of the anecdotal evidence, I seem to recall, as a boy, that every day in summer and autumn was bright, sunny and warm

Cheers

[Greg Q]

Hydro energy is cheap and plentiful in Canada, but they have a serious bounty
of fresh water and elevation change to make it all work.

Wasn't there a plan to harness tidal energy in the Northwest? I forget
the town/river, but as I recall the plans were fairly advanced, just lacks
political will. Oh, and money.

[ozwinner]

However, Solar heated water is eminently viable; very common indeed in South Africa, but invisible here.

Didnt you see the one on my roof..?
Very over priced, but it saves on power, it may take 120000 years to pay it off but Im doing my bit.

I reckon I could make the same hot water service for <$500.
Where as this one cost $3500, with gov rebate.
Al

[echnidna]

Maybe the government should ban reverse cycle air conditioners

[Grunt]

We're certainly pumping a lot of crap into the atmosphere.

bal warming is set to accelerate alarmingly because of a sharp jump in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Preliminary figures, exclusively obtained by The Independent on Sunday, show that levels of the gas - the main cause of climate change - have risen abruptly in the past four years. Scientists fear that warming is entering a new phase, and may accelerate further.

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[ozwinner]

Johnny is doing his bit to help.

Al

[silentC]

Don't worry. With Iran currently trying to hasten the coming of the Hidden Imam, we wont have time to see what happens with global warming.

[gidgee 1]

co2 level at present (depending who quotes the figures )is between 380-400ppm,to put that in perspective If you had a white computer screen that was 1000 pixelsx1000 pixels =1,000,000 pixels then you replaced 400 white ones with 400 black ones to represent the co2 you would be lucky to see them.Keeping in mind that co2 is not visible it is clear you cannot see it!!!! So how the hell do you expect co2 to have any effect on the climate?:confused: :confused:

[Daddles]

co2 level at present (depending who quotes the figures )is between 380-400ppm,to put that in perspective If you had a white computer screen that was 1000 pixelsx1000 pixels =1,000,000 pixels then you replaced 400 white ones with 400 black ones to represent the co2 you would be lucky to see them.Keeping in mind that co2 is not visible it is clear you cannot see it!!!! So how the hell do you expect co2 to have any effect on the climate?:confused: :confused:

Thus speaks a true environmental vandal. I guess you piddle upstream of where you get drinking water too - I mean, it's a big creek and one small widdle won't make difference eh?

As for some of the other comments. Whethe global warning is real or not, we are using up resources that either can't be replaced or can't be replaced quickly. We are polluting our planet and doing little to clean it up afterwards. And you can't see a problem with this? Little Old Oz ain't a big place population wise, but if we can't be responsible here, we can't complain about other countries, despite what our politicians believe.

Richard

[gidgee 1]

Thus speaks a true environmental vandal. I guess you piddle upstream of where you get drinking water too - I mean, it's a big creek and one small widdle won't make difference eh?

As for some of the other comments. Whethe global warning is real or not, we are using up resources that either can't be replaced or can't be replaced quickly. We are polluting our planet and doing little to clean it up afterwards. And you can't see a problem with this? Little Old Oz ain't a big place population wise, but if we can't be responsible here, we can't complain about other countries, despite what our politicians believe.

Richard

Daddles I don`t think this topic requires name calling:eek: ,if you have a different view thats fine but as you appear to be misinformed by your obvious green colouring check out this www predictweather.com
but beware it contains lots of commonsense and facts that greenies don`t want to see

[Studley 2436]

Damn I want a nuclear plant. Actually 3. Put one in the South East somewhere so I can flog power to the Vics, One for Adelaide so we can desalinate water and finally drink water that is more than 50% water and one up for the Iron Triangle cause they could use it. Bit of cheap power would get us out of the bottom end of things we are still in after John Bannons lovely government sent us broke.

After that I am going to dig up Maralinga and build a really big facility for storage. And I'll lease the storage. France USA Russia send us your waste we will rent you a space for it. If you us off we will send it back.

Damn nuclear power nuclear scientists industry finally an economy. We used to have an economy in SA we could have one again. I should take Media Mikey's job!

Studley

[Greg Q]

Daddles I don`t think this topic requires name calling:eek: ,if you have a different view thats fine but as you appear to be misinformed by your obvious green colouring check out this www predictweather.com
but beware it contains lots of commonsense and facts that greenies don`t want to see

You are kidding, right? A weather prediction service based on the lunar cycle?