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    Quote Originally Posted by doug3030 View Post
    Yes, I just logged into Citylink and checked it again.

    Holden Rodeo, even a 2wd is a light commercial

    So is Ford Courier, VW Amarok. Great Wall, Isusu etc.

    Toyota Land Cruiser and Nissan Patrol interestingly let you decide whether it is light commercial or a car.
    so you don't drive a Holden ute.

    From Access Denied
    Vehicles including the post-1998 Falcon Ute, the Holden One Tonner and the Holden Crewman are listed in the vehicle identification data supplied to CityLink and EastLink as ‘hybrid’ construction vehicles, with a GVM (gross vehicle mass) between 1.5 and 4.5 tonnes.
    CityLink (and, it’s believed, EastLink) have changed the operating parameters for toll classification within recent weeks, prompting the outrage from owners of the above mentioned vehicles formerly classified as passenger vehicles and now classified as LCVs.
    Previously, any vehicle in the GVM range with a ‘chassis’ construction was treated as an LCV. But now the parameters have turned around: any vehicle in the GVM range with a monocoque construction (including, ironically, large vans, by the way) is a passenger vehicle. Everything else in the same GVM range is now considered an LCV.
    Since AU Falcon Utes and later, plus the One Tonner and Crewman are listed in the vehicle identification data as having a ‘hybrid’ construction (part monocoque, part chassis), they were excluded from being classified as LCVs in the past. That’s no longer the case.
    Vehicles now being charged at the higher (LCV) rate could number in the tens of thousands. Earlier Falcon Utes and most Commodore-derived utes are unaffected, however, says Transurban’s Communications Advisor, Bridget Brady.
    Back in 1999, not long after the AU Falcon Ute was released, Transurban requested a recommendation about the vehicle from the data supplier, RL Polk. The advice in response was to treat the Ford as a passenger vehicle, not an LCV.
    At that time, the Falcon Ute was not considered a full chassis cab vehicle, as defined by the federal Department of Infrastructure and Transport, which describes a chassis as follows: “The basic operating motor vehicle including engine frame & other essential structural and mechanical parts but exclusive of body and all appurtenances for the accommodation of driver, property and passengers appliances, or equipment related to other than control”.

    Remove the Falcon’s monocoque body from the Ute, and you no longer have a ‘basic operating motor vehicle’. This was the original logic underpinning the decision to rate the Falcon Ute as a passenger vehicle. It’s not mounted on a full-length chassis, unlike vehicles such as the Toyota HiLux, Mitsubishi Triton and Ford’s own Ranger.

    As the legal classification of a Ford (and similar) ute is a matter for the Victorian state government, perhaps you need to lobby your local member to have the definition modified. Just remember that at the end of the day, tolls are based on the principle that any commercial user of a toll road can pass any toll paid onto the end customer.

    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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