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13th June 2018, 10:35 AM #31
Not much info out there on the English Stanley planes. The above link seems to summarise the basic UK types well enough:
Type 1. 1937-39 Rosewood w/brass nuts
Type 2. 1939-45 Beech w/hard rubber nuts.
Type 3. 1945-72 Steel adjusting nuts.
(NB: adjusting nuts went from brass to steel to brass and back in this period. Blade tops changed to rounded at some time C1960s Y-levers went from cast to two-piece stamped and back to cast again at this time)
Type 4. 1972-83 Bed ribs
Type 5. 1983-85 G12-00X series
Type 6. 1985-2008 plastic handled
Type 7. 2008-present New SW planes bodies made in Mexico. Nos 265-11213 series: No 4 smoother, 62 low angle jack, 92 shoulder, 9 1/2 block, 60 1/2 low angle block.
But I would add that prior to the G12-00x period (1983) there were black plastic handles and front knobs. I've recently owned at least three of them (still have the No. 5) See my post here:
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/s...d-types-216228
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13th June 2018, 11:57 PM #32
I'm generally not a fan of the English Stanley's with the exception of early 4-1/2's, as these had extra thick castings and are thus heavier. My reasoning here is that Stanley US pretty much reached the zenith of plane design around the type 14's, after that the major changes were predominantly designed to cut manufacturing costs and after the type 16 the standards started to fall. Basically in my mind even the best English Stanley planes were being modelled on a design that was already on the downward spiral.
However, I once came across an anomaly that hopefully someone else will comment on. It had been my belief that all English Stanley's were modelled on the US type 16's and later; every frog I'd ever seen was of the ogee shouldered design still in production now. But at one point I saw one on flea bay that had the previous flat faced frog yet also clearly had "England" cast into the base. Does this mean that the very first English Stanley's were copies of the type 15, or had I seen a Frankenplane with an earlier frog?Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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14th June 2018, 07:39 AM #33
I am going to look in the plane drawer and take some pics of my Pommy No 6, to try to date it Dubrosa22's post.
Pat
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14th June 2018, 10:57 AM #34
Here are some pics .
The Frog No 6 E SB05.jpg
The sole No 6 E SB06.jpg
The rear No 6 E SB04.jpg
The base No 6 E SB03.jpg
The front knob and manufacture markings No 6 E SB02.jpg
The stripped plane No 6 E SB01.jpg
Any more pics required?Pat
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14th June 2018, 01:39 PM #35
The two-piece lateral adjuster and the cast one-piece blade advancer plus no bed ribs and beech handle and knob all point to your No. 6 being 1945-72 as far as I can ascertain. Quite a chunk of time though isn't it?
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18th June 2018, 08:04 PM #36
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18th June 2018, 08:29 PM #37
A few comments:
I think the plastic handles refered to in "Type 6" above, are the brown plastic handles. Did the black plastic handles appear on English Stanleys, or are they Australian?
The steel adjusting wheel - "Type 3" also had aluminium handle nuts - at least for the latter part of this period. I think reference to nuts in "Types 2 & 3" above actually refers to the adjusting thumb wheel.
I wouldn't count the new SW planes as Type 7 (or any type for that matter). IMHO they are a completely separate plane design - and I believe the "Type 6", or later incarnation, is still being produced somewhere in Asia.
Before the G12-00X there was the 12-00X (which would bump all the subsequent "Types" one number higher.
I believe some of the very early English Stanleys were pre-Qualcast (possibly cast in JA Chapman's foundry - if they had a foundry). The first English Stanleys didn't have a rib at the rounded ends of the main casting (like the one in Pat's photos). I'm not sure if there's a co-relation between these two factors.
Early plane sides were machined along the top edge for a period (probably into the early/mid1950s).
My tuppence worth.
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18th June 2018, 09:10 PM #38
The three pre-(G)12-00x examples I've seen all had Made in England stamped on their beds. Not sure what their original boxes said on them and if the irons and other parts were Stanley Australia made. All were secondhand to me. They had the crummy black plastic handles stamped with Stanley on the handles and one-piece steel bolt and nylon washer.
Btw they also lacked frog adjustment screws and retainers. (See my link above for photos and details.)
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18th June 2018, 09:36 PM #39
Hmm, a browse on eFlay reveals a Stanley plane in a Stanley Australia labelled box with the black plastic handles, no frog adjusting screw, Stanley Australia iron and its bed casting reads 'Made in England' so obviously Stanley Australia were localising the English plane castings.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-...d/163091664459
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19th June 2018, 01:01 AM #40Gatherer of rusty
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21st June 2018, 12:17 PM #41Senior Member
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I used to work with a man who was a fitter and worked in Sheffield and his take on Stanley plane castings was not to bother with a plane that had the ribs behind the rear tote as they were introduced to help keep the sole flat when they changed the way they distressed the castings or rather stopped distressing the castings and allowing them to season. According to him originally the fresh castings were dropped outside of a door on the ground and left there for a period of time and they went rusty. The castings were thrown into the bucket of a front end loader and jostled around by jiggling the bucket and then dumped on the next pile. by the time the pile had reached the other end of the shed, it was months later and the castings were distressed and seasoned and ready to be cleaned and machined. Then they changed the way they did the casting and included the ribs to try and keep the castings flat because the distressing and seasoning was not done anymore. According to him the planes with the extra ribs would continue to move after they were machined.
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26th September 2018, 09:37 PM #42SENIOR MEMBER
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anyone got any images of these type 1 or 2 english stanley's?
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26th September 2018, 09:55 PM #43
What type is this UK #3? It belonged to my FIL. It originally had hardwood handles, but otherwise is per Type 2 (ignore that I filed the tops to personalise it) ...
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26th September 2018, 10:37 PM #44SENIOR MEMBER
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there's also plane irons with corners rounded (as mentioned above) and then the later one's that were even more rounded/truncated in style.
My father purchased his English made stanley #4 in 1958. it has the plane iron with slightly rounded corners, also has a cast chromed/nickel plated Y adjuster lever.
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9th April 2024, 12:33 AM #45New Member
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I am working on a type study of English Stanley Bailey planes and this thread provides many useful observations and opinions. Thanks!