Is the climate change debate realy over?

[rod@plasterbrok]

John I am not against the reduction of use in fossil fuels nor the continuing development of replacing them. What I dont agree with is the need to scare the pants off everyone to achieve this.

[echnidna]

Its not just fossil fuels that are nearing exhaustion.
The world is running low on copper, which is the primary metal used for electrical stuff.

[rod@plasterbrok]

All for recycling and anti pollution etc.

[fazz]

the one true constant in the history of the planet is climate change ,the hysteria sweeped up by select groups and the media that follows will only politicize and divide this debate instead of a collective approach to sustainability, tea lady i am only trying to provide for my family in a sustainable renewable manna not raping the planet, the hole point of this discussion i feel is not to overreact but to get the facts straight.

[Ashore]

The last debate on this seamed to die after another forum member posted this link
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&feature=related"]YouTube - Climate Change - Is CO2 the cause? - Pt 1 of 4[/ame]
Before you go any further why not look at this , unless you are afraid of the facts discussed by a real reputed scientist.

There is no debate between the SCIENTISTS.

TL
You are wrong pure and simple there is debate among reputed scientists ,
It would apear from your post that any reputed scientists, who disagree with your point of view are wrong and not actually " reputed " at all,
Why you would make the arguement that the only reputed scientists are those who agree with your point of view . Lady you have either a limited knowledge of the facts , a lack of understanding of the facts , or have decided to interperate the information you do have in your own way but your statement that there is no debate among reputed scientists is wrong.

[jow104]

Something is working, I have done 30% less mileage than average this last 12 months, and I suppose that is because I dont like paying higer fuel costs, heating/lighting I have got a contract that also restricts me, so. I am having to conform whether global warming is on or not.

[tea lady]

God I hate Politics.

[Andy Mac]

Perhaps this global warming event is part of the natural cycle, and mankind's activity will have no effect one way or the other, but anything to reduce pollution and reduce blatant over-consumption is welcome in my book! Pollution is bad for health of the human population, and the natural environment, by which I mean fishes, plants etc. It affects generations yet to be born. Forget about the global warming scenario for a moment, we just shouldn't be pumping so much cr#p in the air and water. We waste far too much of everything, through greed I'd suggest. Short sighted greed.

[JMB]

I agree with Andy Mac. There are so many ways in which we, as a species, have a negative effect on the environment, other plants and animals, and other humans born into less privileged circumstances. There is already great need for change whether scientists agree or not about the cause of changing climatic conditions.

[Ashore]

anything to reduce pollution and reduce blatant over-consumption is welcome in my book! Pollution is bad for health of the human population, and the natural environment, by which I mean fishes, plants etc. It affects generations yet to be born.

Agree entirely,

[tea lady]

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[Barry_White]

this issue for me hits very close to home, i am a fourth generation saw miller in n.s.w, in recent months forestry in n.s.w has been turned over to the department of environment and climate change (DECC). as it stands any commercial forestry undertaken in n.s.w from firewood to to sawn timber must sign a property vegetation plan (PVP) a legally binding contract between the landholder and the government, with a complex code of practice (regulations) to be overseen with on site audits, with landholders in our aerier not willing to sign the PVP's fearing that they will be fined by not understanding and complying with these regulations our business has lost it's supply and after 60 year's in the industry our family business is on the verge of closure so much for a LABOUR government as 12 hard workers will soon be out of work. the timber industry as we now it is about to change from wolds best practice to imported clear feel rainforest species. it just does not make sense it's pure political , there's no greater motivator then fear.

What Fazz says is so true because I live in the area that he harvests as well as the farmers in the area also do. This is done in a very sustainable way.

I have lived in the area for 30 years and my brother-in-law is one who from time to time supplies timber for his mill. I have watched cleared areas in this country become regenerated to the extent that where you could see for long distances they have totally restricted the view to a few yards.

These restrictions put in place by short sighted shiny ar$3's that have never seen anything but asphalt and concrete and don't know what they are talking about are also affecting the livelihood of the landholders that sell a few trees during the time of drought to supplement their income that comes off freehold land.

Just to show how this country regenerates I have posted a couple pics. The first one is of a couple of Yellow Box trees that are less than 9 years old that just came up. The other one is a pic of a Yellow Box that has just naturally died in the last 18 months. That tree is possibly a 100 years old about the same age as the live ones beside it.
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The trees here get to a certain age and begin to die and these are the ones that my brother in law cuts for the mill.

A lot of the time the trees that he sends to the mill are the ones that are blown down during wind storms of which there was six to eight from a storm just prior to Christmas.

[rod@plasterbrok]

Sensible reduction in pollution can be achieved without the scary mantra of AGW.

Everyone should be concerned about pollution and take resonable steps to minimize the effects of pollution.

The green movement have hijacked AGW as there way of imposing impossible conditions on people to "save the world" that is in no danger.

The situation that Fazz is in right now will spread and grind industry and production to a halt. It will all become just to hard.

[Koala-Man]

I would be a lot more impressed with this article if had included some details.
For example:
Which conference?
Who organised it?
Who was invited?
Who attended?
Where were the papers they presented published?
Were the views presented in thisd article really the conclusions of the scientists?
Did they vote on it?
Did the writer present the majority view or just the view of a few - maybe even one - scientist?
How can we know whether these views were even presented accurately?

Now, maybe the climate change sceptics will turn out to be right, and the great majority of scientists who study these things will turn out to be wrong. I doubt it, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

One thing I do know, though, is that the writer of this article will have to do a lot better if he wants to be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't already agree with him.

Gaz.

[pharmaboy2]

heh Gaz, perhaps you could ask the same quaestions of the IPCC report writers, especially the writers of the policy executive summary - I think you'd find similar shortcomings.

tell you what, if we now move into a period of la nina's and the average global temp continues to rise over the ensuing few years, then I'll chnage my mind for sure - but right now, the global temp seems to have more in common with the SOI than anything else.