Clamps for direct stick flooring.

[Larry McCully]

I am on a 2500 m2 job now of dirct stick, I was considering using no bow but i have declined on to reasons, i was astonished on the price of the purchase and of the hire rate. $5500 + gst or $88 per day. A drop saw only costs 800 or a polyvac 1500 or a edger 3000 or other tools of the trade at affordable rates. I think their is a market for this devise but the pricing needs to be able to attract the buyer. If you want this product to enter the market paul, you will need to mabe look at lower markup which will attract the buyer and cause a higher turn over. We all now of your product and are all smart men, we also know what is in it to get what you got.
AS for me i have been doing direct stick for boral for a few years now and have a clamping system down pat and dont need to rely onnobow, but i though that if it was affordable i would have purchased up to six of them, just for this job i am doing now. But mate you scared the s... out of me when i saw the price. I am looking for a system that will give me the results that i need at a good price. You will find that if you make it worth while for the other professional installers to buy it then you will have a winner. You need to drop the price dramaticly.
Also, 99.9 per cent of the timber that is manufactured today is straightand in good condition, i hve only had mabe two floors that i would have needed a product like no bow, and that was from a recycle timber floor manufacturre in brisbane. The quality t/g manufactures make sure that their product is quality controlled. I noticed in your video that you use a brad nailer to secret nail your floors, I dont know if this nailing system would pass any scrutiney by the board and codes as at australian standards for the instalation of tounge and grove. I and like most of the other pro installers use a staple fired from a scret nail gun. I dont need to clamp the boards first then nail them, if i did then that would be double handeling .
This is the thing paul, if you are going to throw your product out into the industry , they you will be up against all the questions that need to be answered, especially by the proffesional fraternaty.

[the controller]

I can save at least $7 per sq. metre laying boards using Nobow .On a 2500m job thats at least over $17000 well worth the investment.Cheers to you all

[Gaza]

I can save at least $7 per sq. metre laying boards using Nobow .On a 2500m job thats at least over $17000 well worth the investment.Cheers to you all

WHAT THE....

So the no bow, carrys the floor, cuts it in and then its ready to glue down. No way to save that much only on a crap floor that will not go to together. If you have to push that hard something is wrong.

Put your money where your mouth is MR NO BOW and lead me and larry one for a week each, i am doing a lot of 6 & 8in floors and larry is doing direct stick. then let us show you the results.

Direct stick needs limited clamping anyway, once the first few rows are gone off you push against that. No lumps of steel or sand bags required here,

[Larry McCully]

WHAT THE....

So the no bow, carrys the floor, cuts it in and then its ready to glue down. No way to save that much only on a crap floor that will not go to together. If you have to push that hard something is wrong.

Put your money where your mouth is MR NO BOW and lead me and larry one for a week each, i am doing a lot of 6 & 8in floors and larry is doing direct stick. then let us show you the results.

Direct stick needs limited clamping anyway, once the first few rows are gone off you push against that. No lumps of steel or sand bags required here,

you mean "lend "

[floorie]

Larry, through my flooring experience limited as it is (19 yrs of proven quality and consistency) . You will need all the help you can get!!!!

Glock40sw As for your contractors WHO YOU SAY have used Nobow. I KNOW for fact that their was one block in Barinsdale Vic who love it but it did not suit his style. All the rest have either bought it off the web site or have hired it and then bought it with in days of using it. The general opinion you have quoted is just that! so boys the old saying is don't knock it until you you've REALLY tried it!!!
Thanks again for your comments keep them coming!! and keep persisting with your old ideas.

[Larry McCully]

Thats cool bro, i see something in it also, it is the price that scared me. and yes you are right when you say not to knock it till you tried it, i cant justify (hiring)spending 1500 a week for 3 of em and thats only on one level, and there are two levels . I have to look at a a more cost effictive solution and get the same esults, even if i have to make up a tempory device based on the same principle using air jacks or something. i know of a air/oil hydrolic device that can be purchased at quarter the cost, and with a bit of thought , knock up a solution. Its the price bro, thats all.

[floorie]

Gaza, Larry and the others ,
IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO GET YOU GUYS ALL OUT OF SORT!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! YOU ARE ALL RIGHT IN YOUR COMMENTS!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! THE NOBOW may not be needed in all flooring installations BUT when it is needed it can be an EXTRA pair of hands. Some of the benefits is it can hold in 2 or 3 places at the same time with a regulated consistent air pressure. That can stop over clamping. With the aid of the secret nail gun it works very well as it allows complete unrestricted access to the joist or batten. MY own business and the few contractors that use it are claiming the advantages.
It is available to Hire
Again I am always seeking constructive educated criticism. That was why I entered this forum in the first place.
Thanks again !! for your enthusiasm !!

[glock40sw]

Glock40sw As for your contractors WHO YOU SAY have used Nobow. I KNOW for fact that their was one block in Barinsdale Vic who love it but it did not suit his style..

Well, There you go...Eh?

Anyway, we all know the Queenslanders hate change .

[Gaza]

Yea sorry for being a smart ####.

Its a great idea for use as a spreader for the last few rows, i hate using a pull bar cause i am scared of damaging the walls.

I can see where it would come it to its own dealing with wide boards, floor clamps dont work on plywood/particle board or direct stick.

Good luck and try to get the hire price down.

[Larry McCully]

Well, There you go...Eh?

Anyway, we all know the Queenslanders hate change .

Hey cuz, How does a queenslander change a light bulb?
answer..... change! change! what change!

[E. maculata]

Well, There you go...Eh?

Trevor I'm disappointed Bud, you're slippin' in yer dotage
what you're supoosed to say is "Sorry my flooring does not require clamping, as the very concept of applying a clamp to my carefully manufacturer natural product makes me want to................"
Cause mine surely doesn't .

[glock40sw]

Brucie, Brucie, Brucie...
ya must understand. I am learning to be more mellow in my mid-life crisis awareness feel good sessions.

Even though you and I know that my production is beyond question, there are still a few installers that seem to think like a 1950's topnail installer and cramp the sh_it out of every stick of flooring that passes through their hands.
On the other hand there are also a handfull of switched on installers that have a feel for the material that they install. These aware few are the ones that believe in installing quality floors with quality fixings and practices. Sure they charge like wounded bulls, but you get what you pay for.

There are individuals out there that install floors. But they should be wearing blue & white stripped aprons with butchers knives hanging from their belts. These are the "take the money and run" types. You, like me do not want these types laying our flooring. After all, we invest large amounts of time and resouces into producing a quality product. The last thing we need is a butcher to leave it out in the rain for 1 week and then tell all and sundry that will listen, that the manufacturer is supplying flooring that is not dryed properly.

I think it is time to change jobs. I'm getting bored with hardwood flooring manufacturing. 30 years is too long in 1 job. I wonder if there is any vacancies for an apprentice brothel manager .

[floorie]

WELL???? What did you end up doing Miltzy????????

[the controller]

iam also wondering miltzy

[the controller]

I wanted to find out how the big job is going Larry,did you come up with a good solution to your clamping issues.I still love my NOBOW