The bali 9 - is a death sentence appropriate?

[Daddles]

Considering the crime and the consequences, the bastards can cop the full weight of Indonesian law and serve it in their prisons, not ours.

Having said that, I don't believe that anyone has the right to take another's life. Therefore, I can't support a death sentence for anyone. However, life in prison, that is, you die there ... eventually, seems appropriate for what these low lives were going to inflict on the end users of those drugs.

Cheers
Richard

[ndru]

Don't think for a minute that the AFP didn't know exactly what they were doing when they tipped off the Indonesians, either. Yes, it should send a message - but the message wont go to the dealers because they have heard it before. It might make it harder to get mules. But then this lot must've been on another planet if they hadn't heard about Chappelle Corby.

Yeah - I'd love to know what the AFP were thinking when they tipped off Indonesian customs. They must[?] have considered this against intercepting and substituting the stuff here and tracing it through the dealer network here. Maybe they weren't confident about tracing it and thought it better to expose them to the Indonesian justice system.

All these recent drug events makes me wonder how effective Indonesian customs really are. Both the Corby and 9 cases lead me to the conclusion that they can't apprehend anyone unless it is ludicrously obvious (Corby) or it is handed to them by another law enforcement agency (the 9). Having said this, I don't know if our own interception process are the best either. Despite our efforts there is still plenty of the white stuff available on our streets. :mad:

[silentC]

However, life in prison, that is, you die there ... eventually, seems appropriate for what these low lives were going to inflict on the end users of those drugs.

The problem is, I don't really think these guys were the ones who were going to do the inflicting. Yes they would have played their part in bringing the stuff into the country - but they're not the ones who paid for it, nor were they the ones who were going to sell it on the streets.

I'm not apologising for them but their real crime was utter stupidity and not thinking things through. I could even believe that they had no idea what they were going to be carrying. I could also believe that they did it because they were told that if they didn't they or their families would be 'disappeared'.

Either way, I can't see them getting off with a prison sentence, especially since they were caught with the stuff taped to their bodies. What's the defence: "I didn't dress myself this morning"?

The sad part is that the real crims are the ones who sent them over there and they probably will get away with it. Even if they do get caught, they'll go to gaol for what, 5 years?

[Christopha]

The schidt the barstards were carrying into OUR country is/was a death sentence for some of OUR people so I don't give a rats' if they get killed for their greed.... shoot the filth! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Gumby]

A death sentence is never aproppriate.

Disagree. Surely you don't think ba$tard$ like Martin Bryant & Juian Knight shouldn't be swinging on the end of a rope?

Child killers etc should be terminated. If they had a referendum, it would win hands down.

[DanP]

I'm with Gumby. As long as there is NO doubt of the identity and guilt of the crook.

Dan

[E. maculata]

Disagree. Surely you don't think ba$tard$ like Martin Bryant & Juian Knight shouldn't be swinging on the end of a rope?

Child killers etc should be terminated. If they had a referendum, it would win hands down.

Logically & philosophically I am very much anti-death penalty, for christians it breaks one of the commandments, for others it's 21st century society, civilised man and all that, there is no coming back if we made an error etc etc.
Having said that, in my gut I would like to see all the reptiles like Bryant and Rock spiders become less than memories just greasy stains.
On intravenous drug use and dealers in such. My family has unfortunately has far too much to do with the fallout of these perveyors in human misery, but I still don't think society initiated murder of another human being does anything positive for us as a people either.

I will echo Tassiekiwis' sentiments with the thought "There but for the grace of God go I"

Bruce C.

[namtrak]

.................Bloody awful business, all 'round. There but for the grace of (insert your god).........

Nice balance

[Rusty]

As an individual I'm not as forgiving as I'd like to be, and if someone close to me was hurt, I'd have a hard time not wishing death on the perpetrator.

As a society though, if we don't keep striving to remain compassionate, we'll backslide, and perhaps be no better than those who have harmed us in the first place.

Perhaps I'm misinformed, but I thought Bryant was a nutcase, not evil. Hating him for killing is like hating a plane for crashing. We maintain aircraft to keep 'em flying, I reckon we should keep a closer eye on our crazy people, too. I'm prepared to pay to keep him locked up. As for Julian Knight, apparently he's not crazy. A bullet might have been a just thing in his case. However, he didn't get one while he was armed, and I don't believe we should kill prisoners.

Thre's no easy answers in my opinion. We should keep trying to be better than them. Love thine enemy. It's a tough call, but all the worthwhile things in life are tough at first. Like freehand sharpening. I can't believe this weather. Bewdiful.

Rusty.

[Wood Borer]

The reason accused 9 accepted a paid trip to Bali, were allegedly paid and attempted to conceal the goods was because they knew the consequences if they were caught.

You don’t get paid big dollars to go to a holiday destination and bring back legal goods because there is no risk involved.

To suggest that they were not aware of the consequences is ridiculous. If they are blind, illiterate and deaf I am sure they would have smelt a rat merely by the relatively large sum of money being offered to carry the stuff.

I feel they did a primitive risk analysis and felt the rewards more than offset the chance of being caught and the permanent penalty. The conclusion they reached (to go ahead with the deal) was made with consideration of all the consequences.

Whether you think the death penalty is too hard or not, it is Indonesian law – the country where they allegedly committed the crime.

If they were carrying drugs and they were able to land them in Australia the effect to local young drug takers would have also been possibly terminal.

If you were the parent of a child who had died of a drug overdose, would you be suggesting the suppliers of the drug be handled with kid gloves?

I think they should be given a fair trial and if they are found guilty they pay the penalty, in this case the death penalty – the penalty they knowingly gambled with and lost.

[boban]

Disagree. Surely you don't think ba$tard$ like Martin Bryant & Juian Knight shouldn't be swinging on the end of a rope?

Child killers etc should be terminated. If they had a referendum, it would win hands down.

I'm sure it would win, but if prison is so good for these bastards why is then that they try to kill themselves in prison. My guess, its a better way out for them..... Would 20 years in a hell hole like the Indonesian prisons would be as much a deterent as a death sentence. Maybe???

However if it were my kids they killed, Im not sure I would be so level headed, I'd want revenge too. One reason I guess that victim's familys dont get to chose the punishment.

And to me 20 is still a baby, despite the classification as an adult at 18.

I dont totally disagree with any of the opinions here as its quite easy to point to the damage drugs do so many, but I was saddened by what I saw in spite of it being presented by Richard Carlton.

As far us dictating what is an appropriate law, the world has been doing this for a long time, not just the Seppos, however most dont invade other countries. I have my opinions on various governments and their laws around the world, and in most cases I think ours are better. Not always right but better as a balance on whole. That's why we are a destination for refugees and immigrants alike. Now that might be considered arrogant by some but I'm not alone here.

When I posted this I thought there would be a variety of opinions and one thing that we can be thankful for, is that we can express them freely (subject to pancake comments etc etc).

Now if their parents just bought them a tablesaw.........

[NewLou]

Na.............they'll end up Bringing em home n dealing with em here a bit of powder is not worth a life though that stuff would have caused some deaths once it Hit our shores........All I know is 2 wrongs dont make a right Lock em up!!!..........there only kids!

[MathewA]

I personally doubt they will be executed. I think it's all politics at work. It's all about what it's doing on this forum right now - making everyone talk about it and to shock idiots into not trying it themselves. I think the Aussie authorities informed the indonesian authorities to allow this to play out the way it is. They'll get a jail sentence of some sort. Part of the sentence will be served in Indonesia (just to really scare the crap out of them and anyone else willing to read the book they'll write) and the rest in Aus.


Lets face it Indonesia couldn't give a toss about what Aussies or anyone else is sticking in their arm or if they supplied it - it's all about the tourist dollars. This would be far too costly for Indonesia to execute 9 idiots, guilty or not - tourists would stay away in the thousands if they did.

[E. maculata]

Anyone else remember Chambers & Barlow?

[craigb]

Anyone else remember Chambers & Barlow?

Yep.

I don't think any Aussies have been pinged with significant amounts of drugs iin Malaysia since then either.

Lets not forget about the Aussie 21 yr old who's on death row in Singapore either. He was transiting through Singapore airport from Vietnam when he was nabbed.

Then you've got the teenagers who were picked up in Hong Kong a few weeks ago. They are looking at life I think.

I mean just how stupid are these people?