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Thread: Good onya Matty :(
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11th April 2006, 12:06 PM #16
If you had to pick one of them to bowl to save your life, it's no contest. Warnie.
That guy has won more tests for Australia than MacGill ever could.If at first you don't succeed, give something else a go. Life is far too short to waste time trying.
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11th April 2006, 12:08 PM #17
Originally Posted by Gumby
(How is this for hijacking a thread!!)<Insert witty remark here>
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11th April 2006, 12:12 PM #18
Murali is a chucker!!!
Yes, Warnie has won more tests for Australia but MacGill hasn't been given the same chances. It's like being a wicket keeper while Gilly is there. You get a run when he's injured or resting and that's it. How do you prove yourself in one match? All they can look at is performance in State matches.
One day Gilly will retire and someone else will have to step up. Same with Warnie. Will he retire in time for MacGill to have a good go at it? They are more or less contemporaries."I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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11th April 2006, 12:16 PM #19
Originally Posted by silentC
(although, how you straighten a bendy plasticene arm would be an interesting exercise)If at first you don't succeed, give something else a go. Life is far too short to waste time trying.
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11th April 2006, 12:19 PM #20
Ahhh, but a legal chucker - who you could argue has changed the game even more than Warnie as he forced rule changes!
Mind you, if you say that Murali is a chucker, then so is Brett Lee as well as many other bowlers...
I don't reckon that MacGill will get a decent run as they are pretty much contemporaries. Dan Cullen will be the next spinner and the young guy from Qld will be the next unfortunate spinner...
As you mention with Gilly, Haddin has had a rough run and he has done beautifully in his opportunities. And for that matter, Healy was held onto for a few years extra when Gilly was going mad in state cricket...<Insert witty remark here>
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11th April 2006, 12:25 PM #21
Originally Posted by Gumby
As for being flawed logic, not really. Your first comment was "more games that MacGill ever could" and that implies that MacGill couldn't have won those games. All proof indicates that there is a good chance that he could have (whilst not definite proof of course).<Insert witty remark here>
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11th April 2006, 12:28 PM #22
I'll cede you the stats, but I wouldn't say he completely outbowled him. I would be interested to see how MacGILL would go on a dead flat track.
Originally Posted by CameronPotter
Originally Posted by CameronPotter
Originally Posted by CameronPotter
Yes, but...
I've got a few things to say about Murali.
1. He is a chucker.
2. The ICB didn't know what to do with him and the whole "I can't straighten my arm" thing so they changed the rules to suit him.
3. The vast majority of his wickets are on the sub continent where nearly every pitch is a spinners heaven.
4. He is a chucker.
5. He's still not as good as Warne.
Think where Warne would be at now if he didn't have a year off. 800 wickets?
DanIs there anything easier done than said?- Stacky. The bottom pub, Cobram.
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11th April 2006, 12:33 PM #23
And he's a chucker....
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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11th April 2006, 12:35 PM #24
Originally Posted by Gumby
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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11th April 2006, 12:36 PM #25
Ok. I will also cede the fact that MacGill on a flat track MAY be absolutely brutalised... Although he has pretty good figures on Bellerive which is commonly acknowledged as a batter's paradise.
I also agree that his time in England wasn't up to scratch which is one of the reasons he didn't get a game, but there are many players who play a lot better in the "real thing" than in tour matches - although I don't think that shows a particularly strong character.
As for Murali - I won't argue that he bends his arm, but so do many fast bowlers. I would actually like it handed back to the umpires and if the ICC doesn't like an umpire's call they can remove them from the panel. That way you avoid all of this what angle can they use and instead go with, if you can see it straighten - ping them.
As for Warnie's "break" he came back bowling better than he was when he left. But, he would have picked up a few extra wickets along the way. I will say that Warne is clearly a very special bowler though, if only for his ability to control a viciously spinning delivery - something that was not even considered likely in previous leg spinning history.
Funnily enough, I thought that his one day record was probably the most impressive things about his game - but he gave that up. I am DEFINITELY willing to admit that he is streets ahead of the next spin bowler in that form of the game (although I do like Hoggie, who I also feel is sometimes a little hard done by).<Insert witty remark here>
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11th April 2006, 12:38 PM #26
Perhaps we should have a poll.
I'm a big fan of Stewies work but Warne is undoubtedly the better bowler.
It's just Stew's misfortune to be on the scene at the same time as Warne.
If Warne hadn't been around then who knows?
Where was Stewie in '93 or '94 when Warne was at the top of his game and basically unplayable by the majority of the worlds best batters?
Mind you, Stewie has a wrong 'un which is more than Warnie can say.
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11th April 2006, 12:41 PM #27
Actually, Stewie came late to spin bowling and started off as a reasonably unsuccessful fast bowler... It took him quite a while to get control of his massive rip. However, if Warnie wasn't around making his lack of control look bad, it is also possible that MacGill wouldn't have really worked on control that much... :confused:
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11th April 2006, 12:53 PM #28
Originally Posted by Gumby
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11th April 2006, 12:58 PM #29
Plenty of him eh Midge?
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11th April 2006, 01:13 PM #30
You've got to risk it to get the biscuit
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i'm not into stats but i rekon they both have there days and warnie is better on that day. macgill is still a good spinner though.
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