Where does the buck stop?

[Dropcat]

When visiting OS webites and media pages how come I still get Aussie advertising

Every computer on the internet has a number (IP address), and that number gives away your location. Same as 'phone numbers, if you see 02 in front then it's NSW, 029 is Sydney etc.

The ads are usually delivered by companies external to the site your are visiting, eg Google, DoubleClick etc.

The website asks the ad provider so something, passes your IP address across, hence you get an ad for sheep dip and not cut price herring.

[jimbur]

The website asks the ad provider so something, passes your IP address across, hence you get an ad for sheep dip and not cut price herring.

If we start getting ads for cut-price herring, that would be sinister
Cheers,
Jim

[artme]

Just had a quick look at that website Ern. No reading as yet but there is an interesting range of topics

Pity we don't have that sort of facility here. Then again the standard of journalism in this vountry is somewhere below pathetic. It may be just as well!!

[hughie]

It seems to be getting worse. 'Rumours' are coming out about Murdoch's other UK papers.

,
Jim, To a varying extent with each paper basically, "whatever it takes" is the norm in the UK and nothing is sacred.

So much so the Royals and various celebs are or have taken out 'super avos' to prevent publishing of thier personal details.

So all this is no surprise to me at all.

[AlexS]

With all the Australian hacks who've done a few years with Murdoch's rags in the UK, do you really think we're immune here?

[jimbur]

With all the Australian hacks who've done a few years with Murdoch's rags in the UK, do you really think we're immune here?

I doubt that we are immune Alex, especially when the political parties are terrified that the media might turn on them. Democracy seems to come a distant last when a person who isn't even entitled to vote across here can wield so much influence.
Perhaps we need another term Hughie instead of newspaper - news doesn't really seem to be their stock in trade.
Cheers,
Jim

[underfoot]

Slightly off topic, but reminds me of when Peter Garret was being asked how he felt being personally responsible for the death of an apprentice electrician ..
..his response...this is politics..the buck has to stop somewhere...
...Meanwhile....I was waiting for some journo to interveiw the idiot sparky that the kid was apprenticed to..

[Bushmiller]

If we start getting ads for cut-price herring, that would be sinister
Cheers,
Jim

Yes definitely something fishy there.

Regards
Paul

[Bushmiller]

In recent times the integrity of journalists appears to have taken a huge dive. No longer are they encouraged to check stories. Rather they are hustled along with deadlines that are increasingly difficult to meet.

One of the problems is that a newspaper is an item that is sold retail for considerably less than it costs to produce. In extreme examples there is no cover charge. The free circulation papers (publishers prefer the phrase controlled circulation) are an example.

We all know how they subsidise this: Advertising. Immediately the integrity is compromised. The gutter press, of which the News of the World was a leading contender, are amongst the biggest offenders.

There are only two things that matter in the success of publishing: Circulation (copies sold) and advertising revenue. The two are inextricably intertwined.

The time was when the editorial staff would not talk to the advertsing staff for fear of being compromised. That was the fleet street ethic. Those days have disappeared. With the advent of the internet invasion of privacy, never a taboo in journalism, has reached new levels of deprivation.

Was the phone hacking sanctioned? Probably. Was it a tacit understanding? Almost certainly. Did Rupert Murdock know about it? Doesn't matter. It is/was his quest for increased market share that has encouraged the ethical abyss.

If there is any doubt of that, look up the responsibilities of company directors with regards to due dilligence.

Regards
Paul

[Vicbowling]

I think Rupert Murdock should be held accountable. It is his company and ultimately he is the one accountable for the actions of his staff. He should know what is going on there.

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[Bushmiller]

I think Rupert Murdock should be held accountable. It is his company and ultimately he is the one accountable for the actions of his staff. He should know what is going on there.

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That sums it up for me. The only qualification would be if there was a calculated and deliberate deception to keep him from knowing. He would have to prove that he was deliberately deceived and because of his dictatorial style, which of course is his perogative, I suspect he would have a difficult task to do that.

Regards
Paul

[jimbur]

That sums it up for me. The only qualification would be if there was a calculated and deliberate deception to keep him from knowing. He would have to prove that he was deliberately deceived and because of his dictatorial style, which of course is his perogative, I suspect he would have a difficult task to do that.

Regards
Paul

Sounds a bit like like Thomas a Becket doesn't it, where the truth is the turbulent priest? Can't see Rupert walking barefoot to Wapping on pilgrimage though.
cheers,
Jim

[rsser]

What will change Murdoch's behaviour is impact on share price.

I notice that the C of E in E were proposing to sell off their shares in the enterprise.

(God knows why they have such a stake in mammon, so ask him!)

And the really big lever for change is superannuation funds' position on ethical investment. They did some posturing after the GFC but I don't recall any outcome. If however they put their money where their mouths might be, crikey ..... we'd have .... er, something like socialist capitalism, or capitalist socialism.

(Drucker referred some time ago to the socialisation of corporations via super fund holdings.)

[jimbur]

What will change Murdoch's behaviour is impact on share price.

I notice that the C of E in E were proposing to sell off their shares in the enterprise.

(God knows why they have such a stake in mammon, so ask him!)

And the really big lever for change is superannuation funds' position on ethical investment. They did some posturing after the GFC but I don't recall any outcome. If however they put their money where their mouths might be, crikey ..... we'd have .... er, something like socialist capitalism, or capitalist socialism.

(Drucker referred some time ago to the socialisation of corporations via super fund holdings.)

Sounds good to me Ern.
Cheers
Jim

[fxst]

and now the news of the world chief editor (forgot her name) just resigned....looks bad for Murdock

Pete

Brooks quits over phone-hacking scandal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)