The Water Is No Longer Fine

[Pete J]

My view - who gives a rats!


HOWEVER! There is no defined scheme, no rationale, no understood basis for giving negative, or for that matter, positive points. I haven't yet heard people saying they have unfairly been given positive points. Why would one take this seriously??

Yet it is easy to understand why most people don't like being criticised unfairly ( as we see it) and especially without knowing who is criticising us and why.

If it creates unnecessary consternation we have to ask: what is the reason for continuing it? None that I can see - especially if people are taking it seriously.

- your funny feeling was felt by many of us. The system, without doubt implemented as a fun addition, is not working out to be fun in practice.

Why not run a poll on its life or death!!

Stinky - you old pollologist - where are you??

Regards from Perth where at last it is raining. Yea!

[Zed]

I regret to announce to the bb my insertion of negative lovin' to sturdee for posting a "last post".

note all my lovin' givin' is signed by my moniker - zed... no anoninimity for this little alphic character...

I think we all share the opinion that one as valuable as sturdee (700+ posts - most really good ones...) the lack of future contributions will be a sad loss - not to mention the creation of a psuedo-sturdee ala doorstop / christopha - how hard will it be to remember what you said as sturdee or psuedo sturdee and not get caught out mate ? or if you are true to your word and lurk forever more" how hard will it be to not comment on something you TRUELY KNOW IS RIGHT ? or save some some poor bastard from f*cking up by the typing of 3 sentances. I Hereby predict that KENMIL & STURDEE SHALL RETURN.....

all hail the thick skinned.

on a more important note - i've cracked the 200 point mark , I thank you all for your lovin.

seriously - the points mean jack - i use 'em just to stir the regular guys for a bit of fun... the newbies get left alone until they show their true colours. perhaps the ones who are beyond repute can establish some guidelines inthe rules and sign up page - it would be a shame if the board degenerates due to misuse or the function is removed.

cheers

[bitingmidge]

My worry is that people appear to have been given bad rep points for no reason and that a new user might disregard perfectly good advice given by a knowledgeable BB member because of an undeserved bad rep.

I don't think this is the case entirely....I have searched for instructions as a new member might and can find no instructions, or explanation of what the little green things mean. From that I deduce that it will take a new member a while to understand, by which time he will know that it's a bit of fun (except when bluey's are handed out indiscriminently) and by then he/she will be sucked in to the BB lifestyle. (No life...no style!)

I have noticed a couple of newbies with blue dots, and I just don't think that's cricket chaps.....firing 'em at Oz or me is mostly fair game , but a first timer or new guy, even if he is a blithering idiot, doesn't deserve a gutless canning.....tell 'em on the board and let others defend them.

Currently there are 3,595 members, and 35 who have more than one point. (Speaking as a serial poster of complete dribble, I can assure all that not all of the points received have been for words of wisdom! ) but if Mick's statement were to hold true, the words of 99% of the members would be discarded.

I really think all this will wash out in the next month or two...In fact as I understand the rules, all who are members now will have maxed out their points in a year (one per month) and there will be 3,595 at the same level as the lying cheating thieving moderators who kicked off at that level, and Communism will have prevailed...all men will once again be equal.

Adopt the chook's rules, don't give bluey's without a reason, have a nice day .

The board seemed quite successful without them, I think they'll be more obviously irrelevant with the passage of time, and I think everyone should give Zed an anonymous blue right now ..."to stir him for a bit of fun"

Ooooohhh my head hurts from being serious for too long.

P

[Alix]

Hi, I am have just received a "blue" dot and when I looked in the User CP section it has a listing with a message inferring it is a "pay back" from someone. I do not yet have 50 posts up and so cannot vote yet I am being accused of giving someone a bad rep. What is going on here? How can this person think it was me that gave them the bad rep when I have not even (can't) voted once yet?

Allan

[ozwinner]

I have noticed a couple of newbies with blue dots, and I just don't think that's cricket chaps.....firing 'em at Oz or me is mostly fair game

I hereby bequeth all my neg point to Midge.

Signed Al

[ozwinner]

Hi, I am have just received a "blue" dot and when I looked in the User CP section it has a listing with a message inferring it is a "pay back" from someone. I do not yet have 50 posts up and so cannot vote yet I am being accused of giving someone a bad rep. What is going on here? How can this person think it was me that gave them the bad rep when I have not even (can't) voted once yet?

Allan

Yeaaaaah in the green again with some ammo.

Cheers, Allan............. Ooowwhh spelleded the same.

[Sturdee]

I am heartened by the response my post has received but wish to clarify some aspects of my post.

At the outset let me restate that I am not against this innovation. It can be fun and can be a useful adjunct to posting. I have used them myself for dashing of a quick note rather than a full post.

I am also not fishing for points, but of course appreciate it if I get feedback on any of my posts.

I am also not opposed to criticism of my posts, in fact if I either upset someone or gave the wrong advice I appreciate it if I am told, so that it can be dealt with. I am sure that regular members know that. I have on a number of occasions publicly apologized for my remarks if they unwittingly upset another member. I have also debated issues and clarified my position as Woodborer attested to. Thus I am not upset at Zed’s comments (and his raspberry for it was a red one) because he did not say his piece anonymously.

There are many divergent views represented on this board. Mine does not always agree others but I respect them and read their posts anyway. I always like to compare it with that we all share the same faith of woodworking, but are members of either the church of hand tools, or the power tool church, or the Triton congregation or say the dust collection assembly etc. (Now that will get the DRN’s out of the woodwork )

But now there has arisen a new sect, the anonymous group of critics, the DRNs who are too gutless to stand up and face those whom they criticize.

Now you all say ignore them, don’t let them get you, don’t care about the negatives, carry on regardless, don’t bow to the gutless wonders, don’t lurk and that I am playing into their hands.

Now whilst I would like to do that, and I agonised over my post for quite a while, I feel that doing nothing was not on. I am an inquisitive person and not looking at the points score etc is not in my nature. Maybe that is why I can see the possibility of making a jig where others don’t.

Now if I was melodramatic I would compare this new sect of anonymous DRNs with the catholic inquisition of old or the star chambers of old England or the grand juries in the USA or a kangaroo court were you are accused, tried and convicted without your knowledge.

I feel if we do nothing and ignore them they have already won and by taking this stand I am opposing them. I note that (apart from Zed’s raspberry) an anonymous DRN, within the hour of my post, gave me a bluey because I drew attention to their anonymity.


, I feel that it would be presumptuous of me to tell how you should operate the board. I am much too appreciative of both Ubeaut and the moderators for this wonderful facility. If you feel that the points system is abused than you should do what you think is best for the board and in making your decision the other points raised in this discussion also make much sense.

I have not done a Doorstop (and come back under a different handle) or a Kenmill (objecting to your moderating duties) but I have voluntary retired, hopefully for the time being, to the sidelines. I am not making any demands nor quietly fade into the background like others. The only thing that I have done is to make known that I will not post anymore whilst the situation remains where I can not know my critics.


Peter.

P.s. That the language of this post is temperate is in respect to you , because if I wrote the way I feel about this issue you would have to heavily censor my post. You see I can swear fluently not only in English but also in Dutch and German.

P.p.s. I also apologize for the length of this post but after all it may be my epitaph.

[Alix]

Ozwinner, thank you for restoring my faith in this board and for the point to get me back in the green.

I think that if someone is going to give a negative point to someone then the receiver should at least be able to identify who it was and perhaps discuss the reasons with them. I don't like the anonimity part.

Allan

[Shane Watson]

Hi, I am have just received a "blue" dot and when I looked in the User CP section it has a listing with a message inferring it is a "pay back" from someone. I do not yet have 50 posts up and so cannot vote yet I am being accused of giving someone a bad rep. What is going on here? How can this person think it was me that gave them the bad rep when I have not even (can't) voted once yet?

Allan

Alix,

Quite simply, you have given a rep point. How you did is beyond me as I have checked all settings and your right, you need to have made 50 posts before being able to give rep points. But unless there are two posters named 'Alix' it was you. Oh and there isn't two of you

Grain of salt people,

gee I have had no good luv'in yet only bad... :confused:

[ozwinner]

Owwhhhh, here ya go Shane. One good'n.


I didnt think the moderators wanted to play, seeing as how their rep points are fulled up by cheating.

Al

[Alix]

OK, having written software for over 35 years I can believe that no software is perfect.

If I did give a bad point to someone I don't know to who it was, how I did it or when. If the person who got the bad point from me would like to identify themselves I will apologize.

As a mattter of interest, if the giving of points is anonymous then how did this person get the idea that it was me that gave them the bad point? Very curious.

Allan

[ozwinner]

This is where Sturdee is on the money.

I could give negs to anyone, and sign off with anyones name.
How would you know if the signee is genuine? :mad:

Al

[Caliban]

Peter
I hope to hell you don't think it was me who gave you the blue. :eek:
Even though you pulled me into line when I needed it, I only respect you for it.
I always put my name to everything I do. That's how you get a rep.
Not by being a gutless ****.(Sorry ). I also only give positive points.
Probably the catholic guilt coming out. You know, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone...", therefore I never, ever cast stones, even if it is funny.
Do not leave. There are too few people whose posts are as good as yours. Most of us simply use these posts for "woffoling" I forget who coined that neologism, but I like it even if it would have annoyed my previous persona as a spelling Nazi. Because of you I have reinvented myself and I would not have believed how much I enjoy the freedom of not giving a stuff about how someone murders this beautiful language.
You are an essential part of this BB, it would be like Rocker leaving a jig convention, or a cyclone forum without Wayne, or (if I may be so bold) a smart **** forum without me. This is the beginning of the end. No kenmill and no doorstop was bad enough, but no Sturdee and the BB will be horrible.
We should get rid of these rep points, not valuable members.
Tell them all to go to the farthest queue. Say it really loud and very quickly
FAR QUEUE

[ozwinner]

Here is another example of brownie points going astray.

I had years of good tradeing on Ebay, it only took one mongrel who tryed to rip me off, to get me banned, all because I complained.
http://cgi2.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayI...serid=ozwinner :mad:



Al

[Bob Willson]

Good idea Al. Prepare to be blasted by hovo, Alix, Shane Sturdee and quite a few others. All anonymously of course.Or is it really me in my SUPER BLASTER uniform.?