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    What possible incentive would any of our current crop of pollies have in investigating faulty camera operation. It only can result in a drop in their income and a further smear to their reputation.

    Admitedly their current reputation is so poor that it probably couldn't be made worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    What would you have as a deterrent if not fines?
    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    How about asshole points?

    A stern talking too?

    Clearly that works for criminals with 60 convictions who end up killing 3 others while driving high on methadone. Yes, a formal letter of reprimand should do it.
    I see that you have bought the story someone in authority wanted you to buy.

    In the ABC's report of the crash there is a lot of positive information about two of the five victims, and a lot negative information about one, Mr Whitall.
    Police said Mr Whitall had a long criminal history and had been jailed for driving while disqualified.
    At the time of the crash, he was driving with P-plates having only recently got his licence back.
    Mr Whitall was "well-known" to police in his hometown of Ulladulla and had more than 60 offences on his record as well as a number of aliases, authorities said.
    The issue of whether Mr Whitall was on methadone or other drugs at the time of the crash will be part of the coronial investigation.
    implies to me that someone is trying to deflect interest -- the question is to deflect public interest from what? Around the time of the crash had police been following Mr Whitall waiting for another "gotcha" opportunity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbers View Post
    I'm an analyst, and if it was me, i'd be looking at the trend of fines over a certain time frame (days, weeks, peak hour, off peak etc). There'd be an average amount of cars being pinged. You'd have to factor in seasonality (public holidays, Xmas break, major events etc), but by and large it'd all be pretty constant.

    If you had an unexplained spike (or dip for that matter) in fines at a certain time that can't be explained by a major event, weather, festive season etc, then that would be a trigger to investigate and make sure the equipment is running as it should.

    It may well be that there were a bunch of idiots all driving through that trap at a particular time, and its not to say the equipment is faulty, but its a flag to run a diagnositc.

    So in short, yes there would be a somewhat predictable pattern with each camera.
    Thanks Dibbers,

    As an analyst, what do you make of it when there is a consistent, predictable number of different drivers committing the same offence at the same location every day when the speed limit is clearly defined and the location is a well-known speed camera site, day after day, week after week, month after month... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug3030 View Post
    Thanks Dibbers,

    As an analyst, what do you make of it when there is a consistent, predictable number of different drivers committing the same offence at the same location every day when the speed limit is clearly defined and the location is a well-known speed camera site, day after day, week after week, month after month... ?
    It wouldn't be a constant number. And not everyone that drives down that road has done so before, and even if they have they might have a lapse in concentration.

    How i'd do it (this is a simple method, and i'm sure the methods used would be far more complex), Say on average 1000 people get pinged on fridays over the course of a year, 75% during peak our. If one normal friday (i.e. no holidays, major events, traffic incidents etc), 1500 people get pinged, thats a variance of +50%. Run a diagnostic.

    Inverse applies. If on a normal Friday 500 people get pinged, thats a variance of -50%, run a diagnostic.

    If on a normal friday 957 people get pinged, assume all is working as expected.

    Its not saying that they know exactly how many people will get pinged on any given day, you model the data to give you an average, or an expected number, determine what is an acceptable system tollerance, and anything outside of that you'd investigate.

    Again, if it does fluctuate wildly, that isn't to say something is wrong, its just a flag to check the systems.

    Another way to look at it is like any other company projecting profits, say Coles for example. You have no idea how much people will spend on groceries, but you can estimate based on previous years sales, factoring in population change in your stores catchment, competition opening/closing in the area etc... you provide a projection for your shareholders. You may have to revise it part way through the year if your projections were off but you still need a baseline to work off.
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    "The man will face the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday morning, charged with culpable drive causing death, failing to stop and give assistance, disqualified driving, driving while unregistered, driving an uninsured vehicle and exceeding the speed limit."

    Crash Tuesday night here: Man charged after person dies in Hughes crash on Tuesday night

    Its always the same... isn't it?

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    Some drivers will get pinged by speed cameras no matter what....

    Remember when the Sydney Harbour Tunnel first opened - in those days the speed cameras needed flash or good lighting to work. There were signs right through the tunnel stating that speed cameras were in use, plus a short really brightly lit strip roughly in the middle of the tunnel where the camera was. Obvious? Maybe to you and I, but it still didn't stop hundreds of people being pinged by the most obvious speed camera in Australia every month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    "The man will face the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday morning, charged with culpable drive causing death, failing to stop and give assistance, disqualified driving, driving while unregistered, driving an uninsured vehicle and exceeding the speed limit."
    Christ - talk about collecting the whole set !

    Whatever next? "Passing through a red light, drunk, while speeding, backwards, with the car on its' roof and on fire"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    "The man will face the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday morning, charged with culpable drive causing death, failing to stop and give assistance, disqualified driving, driving while unregistered, driving an uninsured vehicle and exceeding the speed limit."

    Its always the same... isn't it?
    NOPE

    have to disagree with your "always" .

    the number of lives lost on NSW roads in 2017 was 392 more than zero. In Victoria it was 255 too many.
    on average, that works out at just under 2 people being needlessly killed each day.
    If drivers like the one in your example were a typical primary causal factor, our court systems would be clogged with culpable driving cases. But they are not.

    Concentrating on the perhaps 5% of incidents where what you have highlighted is a primary causal factor is, IMO, misguided as it deflects attention from more costly but more effective measures such as a more forgiving road environment, more accessible public transport, and a younger car fleet which incorporates more safety features. However, it does serve to deflect attention from more costly actions.


    For an example of there but for the grace of god World cycling champion Caroline Buchanan expected to make full recovery after crash - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    "The man will face the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday morning, charged with culpable drive causing death, failing to stop and give assistance, disqualified driving, driving while unregistered, driving an uninsured vehicle and exceeding the speed limit."
    At least he wasn't drunk
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    Ian, good post. It shows I've been subverted by their psyops! You are spot on. I wish I had your clarity of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    Ian, good post. It shows I've been subverted by their psyops! You are spot on. I wish I had your clarity of thought.
    I've had a bit of practice.

    I wrote the following about 18 months ago in response to an article on the programming of driverless vehicles, and how the AI code should respond to a range of scenarios. I think the tone of my last paragraph will give you a flavour of my attitude.


    Real people make moral decisions based on gender, race, religion, a person’s attractiveness (good looking female vs fat lady), a person’s social standing and other factors. Anyone who denies that bias affects their decision making is a liar. The best you can hope for is that a person faced with a decision will be aware of their biases and will consciously attempt to negate that bias.

    I find that all your scenarios at moralmachine.mit.edu unrealistic as they presuppose that the driverless vehicle will be travelling in an area with high pedestrian activity at a speed that, in the event of a crash into a solid object, will result in the death or very serious injury of the vehicle occupants. Alternatively, a crash into the group of pedestrians will result in the death of many of them. Go read the Swedish Vision Zero. In it you will find guidance that should result in a driverless car’s programming not allowing the vehicle to exceed 30 km/h in an area with significant pedestrian activity. At 30 km/h a vehicle / pedestrian crash is survivable for the pedestrian (and a vehicle impact into a solid object at that speed is 100% survivable for properly restrained vehicle occupants.)

    Even reading the Wikipedia entry – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_Zero – will get you started on a more appropriate path with your vehicle programing.

    And the presumption that a pedestrian walking against a DON’T WALK can legitimately be killed is completely morally repugnant and reflects a too legalistic view of road use. People make mistakes, and in some cases ignore instructions or guidance. Those people should not be considered legitimate targets.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Ian, the theme of your last paragraph is applicable to so many situations in life. Thanks for posting it.
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    Here we go again...

    https://www.949powerfm.com.au/news/n...r-granted-bail

    Exactly who is responsible if this guy gets behind the wheel of a car while "double-disqualified" and kills or injures someone??

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    Cars are faster, drugs are prevalent, youth is ever more irresponsible, the aged are getting older, less and less money going to road upkeep, more bicycles, more motor bikes. What do you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brush View Post
    Here we go again...

    https://www.949powerfm.com.au/news/n...r-granted-bail

    Exactly who is responsible if this guy gets behind the wheel of a car while "double-disqualified" and kills or injures someone??
    in terms of being able to function within Australia society, a licence and/or access to a motor vehicle is almost essential.
    Unless you live in one of the Sydney's "silver-tail" suburbs, being disqualified till 2035 is essentially equivalent to being placed under house arrest for 25 years. (The press story implies that disqualification occurred 7 years ago i.e. in 2010).

    Disqualifying someone for 25 years may make a bunch of us old fogies feel better, but really, what as a community do we expect to be the outcome?
    Pay the guy a disability pension for 25 years? because without a licence and/or a vehicle he can't really access meaningful employment.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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