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7th June 2009, 07:15 PM #136
The arrow is the British symbol of government property - more commonly found on convict uniforms but was universally used to denote any property of the crown.
E*R we are familiar with as the reigning sovereign's trademark, Elizabeth in our case but also could be Edward.
If these marks are as we suspect, then the chisel was made in Sheffield for a government department.
Could be military, railways, shipyards, public works shops, schools, public service, gov't furniture factories etc.
So just a chisel made by a regular chiselmaker who got a gov't contract to make chisels - yours looks like a Ward and Payne - but could have been anybody.
There are likely lots of tools made in this manner and when the departments were rationalised the tools were sold off, knocked off, auctioned, given away, thrown away etc - take your pick.
I would guess that the handle is a replacement.
Looks like a really nice chisel BTW.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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7th June 2009, 08:08 PM #137
Thanks SG
[quote=Scribbly Gum;970526]The arrow is the British symbol of government property - more commonly found on convict uniforms but was universally used to denote any property of the crown.
E*R we are familiar with as the reigning sovereign's trademark, Elizabeth in our case but also could be Edward.
If these marks are as we suspect, then the chisel was made in Sheffield for a government department.
Could be military, railways, shipyards, public works shops, schools, public service, gov't furniture factories etc.
So just a chisel made by a regular chiselmaker who got a gov't contract to make chisels - yours looks like a Ward and Payne - but could have been anybody.
There are likely lots of tools made in this manner and when the departments were rationalised the tools were sold off, knocked off, auctioned, given away, thrown away etc - take your pick.
I would guess that the handle is a replacement.
Looks like a really nice chisel BTW[/quote
I think you've cracked it.
You're right about the handle. Its an ill fit, and way too short imho.
Cheers
D
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8th June 2009, 11:42 AM #138
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9th June 2009, 08:29 PM #139Seasoned Learner
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Sheffield Doves
Hi all,
Another monday, another ebay parcel in the post. I had forgotten about these.
I saw (!) these a couple of weeks back and scored them for 5 quid. I'm not sure i need all 3 but 10 days, 30 odd $ and 10000kms later ..........tiddahh!!
I have a hankering to try some finer things involving doves but first maybe some fettling. The brass backed one is decidedly toothless in parts but the other two look ok.
cheers
Michael.:)
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9th June 2009, 09:07 PM #140
...OK, I know it's Tuesday
Found another excuse for a quick trip to the (NSW) North Coast. 5 days, 2000 odd km and a happy daughter after a visit from Dad .....
From my favourite antique shop in Dorrigo, a 1/2" Titan socket chisel, a 3/4" Swan socket chisel (both missing their metal hoops but the Swan has a very pooncy brass fitting tapped on!)
from Macksville a lovely Disston (Canada) saw and a 5/8" leather punch and, from the shop at the back of the Bangalow pub, a Tyzack gouge (and an Austin bonnet guard)
back home now ...
Fletty
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9th June 2009, 09:13 PM #141
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9th June 2009, 09:18 PM #142
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16th June 2009, 11:55 PM #143
I've been wanting to build a forge for as long as I can remember, Monday morning my son and I were at the local scrap dealer and spotted a water pressure tank, that looked just about the right size for a forge..... so after a bit of welding and cutting... making some charcoal.... hooking up an air blower....
First project out of the forge is going to be some holdfasts, just as soon as I figure out what I'm doing....
I need to do some work on getting the curve just right...
Now I'm looking for old files and rasps to forge into chisels etc..
Regards
Ray
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17th June 2009, 09:06 AM #144
Building a forge is just what I've been getting around to for years! I have a bowl (an old plough disc) and other bits & bobs, but haven't decided on a blower at this stage. I've been looking around for an old vacuum cleaner with the dual hose connectors, but the only ones I can find don't have variable speed motors, which I think is essential. What are you using for a blower, Ray?
More details required, please.....
Cheers,IW
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17th June 2009, 11:38 AM #145
Got this Titan chisel two weeks ago at the markets for $5. I inherited my grandfather's old tools when he passed away and amongst that were a mixed bunch of butt chisels. I don't really like them. I'm still very new to this woodworking business and still making my mind up on the different variants of tools.
This is the first firmer (I think it's a firmer) chisel I have but I'm still not sure if I like them. At the moment I'm inclined to get a second hand set of bevel edged chisels. Will see how this one goes though.
P.S. If anyone has a set of bevel edged chisels they want to sell off I'm certainly interested.
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17th June 2009, 12:27 PM #146
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17th June 2009, 01:15 PM #147
Thanks, Ray - I have a similar vac to the Aldi, so perhaps that's the better way to go, after all. I just thought it would be easier to rig up with a variable-speed motor type. However, if a gate works well enough, it makes sense to minimise the gear in my shrinking workshop, I will only use the forge at very irregular intervals, & am keeping the whole thing as compact as possible.
So yes please - I would like to see your gate setup when you can get some pics. I may as well continue my tradition of profiting from your pioneering work. It's served me well so far!
My young neighbor is a farrier, who takes his job very seriously. Farriers rarely make shoes from scratch, nowadays, except for competitions, & this bloke does that. In fact I heard him hammering away when I got home the other night, & dropped over for a chat. He was busily practising forge-welding - something I haven't seen done since my teen years. He says I can use his forge whenever he's working there, for the couple of small jobs I mentioned, but I don't like getting under someone else's feet, & have wanted my own rig for years, so now I'm 'fired up' I must get on with it.
Maybe we should move to the metal-working section & not hijack this thread, though it's a pretty eclectic mix already!
Cheers,IW
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17th June 2009, 05:49 PM #148
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17th June 2009, 06:46 PM #149
Well, had a win yesterday, I am currently setting up a fine woodworking school on the Gold Coast and have been buying all the dawn vices I can find.
Scored an excellent No9 Quick release for $39 and a good old GMF 8" grinder for $29.00 all work well.
But wait there's more asked the missus if she had any spare change on her and was given 2 x50's. Well imagine my surprise when I went to pick the GOODIES up, there were 3 Stanley's sitting there with no home to go to. Asked what he wanted for them, he said, "mate whatever you've got left will do."
So, up shot was also snaffuled No.7, No. 5 1/2 and 4 1/2. I was happy: but unfortunately had to report back "That there was no change!"
Oh, well she still loves me and I have some new toys. How does it get any better than than?Discover your Passion and Patience follows.
www.fineboxes.com.au
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19th June 2009, 01:55 AM #150