Basic home wiring

[boban]

I know when I'm licked. It's true what they say about a little bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing. No amount of arguement is going to change your mind. Go ahead and do what you want and I'll do what I want based on the advice of people who know what they are talking about.
I can definitely hear the last post playing.

You say you are licked then continue on with a backhanded remark without addressing any of the techincal matters I have highlighted. My information comes from the AS and electricians because I have access to both on regular basis. I had this very discussion concerning mixed circuits 3 years ago on one of my developments when the sparky forgot one of the exterior lights.

As far as me doing as I want. I would gladly follow the advice given by the 3 posters. Again, that is all I have ever advised.

PS. The electrician is coming next week to rewire my room downstairs. I was going to leave it on the backburner but this discussion has prodded me into action. At least I can thank you for that.

Very good. And if he finds that there are more than 3 GPO's on that circuit then you will have an illegal circuit. Until you tell us otherwise, nothing you have said suggests that it is undeniably illegal.

[adrian]

Where was that posted, I must have missed it?

What post? It seemed that some were incapable of grasping the phrase "It's Illegal and dangerous" so I had to do a bit of spoon-feeding.
It's a post to clarify the technical aspect of the circuit. I didn't feel that I should be going into that much detail because anyone who is experienced doesn't require it and anyone who needs it shouldn't get it (on this forum) because they should be calling an electrician. I have been posting replies to counteract the bad advice given by Boban. Personally, I think the thread should be deleted so that the bad advice is gone for good and doesn't have to be corrected.

[Barry_White]

My last word in this post and not taking sides.

First of all my knowledge comes from although not a licenced sparky I spent 10 years wiring houses and doing air conditioning control circuits with a business partner who was a licenced electrical contractor in an air conditioning and electrical business.

If it is as Boban says that there was no more than 3 GPO's on the circuit along with the basement lights it could be legal but with this proviso that the switch board was marked on the fuse or the circuit breaker that it was a mixed circuit for the basement and Bedroom No. whatever. If it wasn't marked on the switch board it is deemed as inadmissible and not complying.

If the GPO's and the lights in the basement were an extension of one of the house power circuits which is the possibility if it was done by a DIY'er without any regard to the rules it would certainly be illegal.

A licenced sparky should never extend a Power circuit into a mixed circuit and any sparky worth his salt would run a separate mixed circuit direct to the basement from the switch board by passing any circuits in the house.

The idea of mixed circuits is basically for isolated areas such as a basement, attic or shed.

Who is right and who is wrong can only be determined when Adrian gets his sparky out to really check it and I am sure that he will let us all know after that happens.

[Barry_White]

That was really my second last word.

Poor Bishfactor is probably wishing he had never asked the question about his wiring dilemma as his post really got hijacked and if he wasn't confused when he first posted I bet he now.

And for any one that hasn't weighed through the 10 pages of posts is probably wondering who poor old Bishfactor is. Well go to post No. 1 and all will be revealed.

[Cliff Rogers]

.... If at a later stage one of the lights on this circuit gets connected back to the rest of the house ie: both ends of the common feed, it will form a permanent bridge between the power and light circuits and pulling either circuit breaker will leave the powerpoints and lights still live because of the bridge. Anyone who follows his advice could lose a house or a life.....

Where was that posted, I must have missed it?

What post? It seemed that some were incapable of grasping the phrase "It's Illegal and dangerous" so I had to do a bit of spoon-feeding......

Spoon-feeding? :confused:

They way I read it you implied that it was 'somebodies' advice.... look again at the bit in red... it comes straight after the bit that you now say was "a bit of spoon-feeding".

This is no longer a discussion on wiring, it's a 'he said/she said' slanging match.

A war of words & I think the notary is in front at present.

[outback]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this.

hang on tight, Groggy check yer boots.


but someone, PLEASE close this bloody thread.

[Sturdee]

Poor Bishfactor is probably wishing he had never asked the question about his wiring dilemma as his post really got hijacked and if he wasn't confused when he first posted I bet he now.

Barry,

Bishfactor probably couldn't careless as he said his adios and hasn't been back on since then.

Mind this whole thread has been boring and like Outback said it should be closed.


Peter.

[Groggy]

What is it with electrical threads?

When I read this thread I get the following information from it:

• This issue is confused, opinions differ.
• I don't like electricity.
• It doesn't like me.
• It is not worth turning my house into smoke based on uninsured advice from this forum.

I'll get a qualified and insured sparky to do the work because, if my house vaporises, I know I can track him down and make him accountable. At the very least I can claim on insurance.

Telling the insurance guy that I wired my house wrong due to advice I followed from the internet will only make the day of one of us, and it won't be me.

Outback: Close the thread? (rubs eyes, looks again) Outback? dat really you said dat?

[Bleedin Thumb]

Boring?? no way, I love a bit of biffo.

[Jack E]

but someone, PLEASE close this bloody thread.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Why should the rest of us not get to read it just because somebody else doesn't want to?

Cheers, Jack

[Groggy]

Why should the rest of us not get to read it just because somebody else doesn't want to?

Jack, if the thread is closed you can still read it, you just can't post to it anymore.

[Jack E]

Fair enough then.

I still don't think it or any thread should be locked. As long as people want to contribute to a thread they should be able to. Barring personal attacks, etc, delete them and leave the thread be.
Perhaps I should have said "why should people not be able to contribute to a thread just because one person doesn't want to"
Sorry mate but it really gets me going when people ask for threads to be closed. It is the world wide web, over 5 billion people in the world with many differing opinions, you might not like some of them (the people or the opinions ), but you should let them have their say.

Plus I like to watch a good stouch every now and then

Somebody said that that the misleading posts should be deleted.

This may get the mods in more trouble because it could imply that any info left in the thread would be correct.

I agree that maybe electrical info should be banned, but then where do you draw the line on unqualified information.

By the way, I am an electrician, and will not give out electrical installation advice.

Cheers, Jack

[outback]

Let me address your concerns Jack.

I don't usually like locking threads neither, it usually happens just as it gets interesting.

I'm struggling contributing anything lately without a tut tut from someone in authority.

I really agree about deleting the misleading stuff, that really opens up Pandora's box. :eek:

ANyway, if I don't keep checking back I might miss something, and I couldn't stand that.

I just reckon this thing is getting boring, if it gets locked I don't need to be paranoid.

[ozwinner]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this.

hang on tight, Groggy check yer boots.


but someone, PLEASE close this bloody thread.

I couldnt agree more.

Are well all done here, Boban, Adrian?


Al :confused:

[boban]

Im done Al, but I still cant see the reason to close it. There is no personal attack, no offensive topic, just robust discussion.

But its not up to me and I'll respect the moderator's right to do as they feel appropriate.

Surely Adrian will provide us with some more relevant info that hasn't been spoonfed to us.

Barry- I dont think it is about whether his mixed circuit at home is illegal (it probably is) but rather whether your post and the 2 that followed from Dan and Ashore are dangerous to the DIY guy contemplating doing it himself. That was what I responded to, that post of Adrian's that highlighted where Adrian reckons it was dangerous.

I guess we can always talk about more interesting topics like.................................












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