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13th July 2012, 06:15 PM #136.
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One potential problem with big openings which usually are covered by sliding doors is sealing a shed.
If you want place vent your DC outside one of the walls to remove invisible dust then ideally the shed should be very well sealed on that walls otherwise the vacuum created inside the shed just pulls all the invisible dust back inside the shed.
Ideally the DC should be located opposite the major opening to the shed - if this is not possible then the shed needs to be able to be sealed. Problem being that sliding doors are not easy to seal.
Just something to bear in mind if you want to vent the DC outside.
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13th July 2012, 07:11 PM #137
Dust extraction
Yes BobL, I know I won't get a good seal with the sliding doors.
I will see if I can get a reasonable seal with overlaps and fabric strips.
The plan is for the dust extractor to have its own spot out the back of the shed. Shared with the compressor.
I plan to put it in a small shed to protect it from the weather and maybe reduce the noise a bit.
I also want it out of the shed because it is noisy and takes up valuable space.
My Photoshop skill is pretty average but I have attached a sketch showing where the bits and pieces might go.
When I get a roof and walls on the shed I will check what others have done with their dust control. Basically I will run a large main across the shed/under the ceiling, then drop down to the machines. Most of the power tools will connect to shop vacs. The only problem is the routers. Maybe they will be used out on the lawn.
The electrician is pretty switched on with what I am doing and said he will work with me as I decide where everything will live.Scally
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13th July 2012, 09:16 PM #138.
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Sounds like a good plan.
The design looks great!
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13th July 2012, 09:23 PM #139
I think I'd opt for a pair of 7ft roller doors with a removable centre track
for added light I'd get ones made of clear polycarbonate -- think shop front roller doors
you could always use curtains inside the shed if you want to obscure the inside after hours.
domestic sliding doors should be air sealable. A friend has a house where one wall is all glass, the full height sliding door seals out the wind.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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14th July 2012, 08:05 AM #140
Sliding Shed Doors
Yes Ian, I agree that the rollers doors would be more practical.
But I don't like the look of them with the heavy timber I have.
I have tried to do up a sketch with sliding door close to what I have in mind. I think the shed and pergola fit together better with the timber doors.
My brother built a very nice additional room near a pool with four large sliding glass doors. They run on aluminium tracks in the floor. They work beautifully and are very well sealed. They are a bit flash and expensive for me but I will try to incorporate some of their design.
A bottom track would be a problem on my woodworking shed because I would fill them up with sawdust. I propose to have tracks above the doors.
The side doors will have a pelmet above the single track to keep out rain.
On the front doors I will run framework and the external sheeting down from the roof to just below the top of the doors. It will keep the opening weatherprroof and should look neat.
Thanks BobL, I hope the plan comes together. It is good to see it partly finished and be able to get a better feel for the look of the buildings.Scally
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15th July 2012, 07:50 PM #141
Beam rebate cutting
My job for the weekend was to make the rebates in the front posts for the beam above the front doors.
The beam is a 300 x 65 LVL.
It will span the full 6m of the shed front.
It wasn't much fun up the ladder trying to get weight onto the saw and the chisels.
The weather has clear up and the forecast is good for this week.
Hopefully I will have the frame finished tomorrow.Scally
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15th July 2012, 07:55 PM #142
Wow, I've manouvered the odd big beam into place but never one that big.
Take care now won't you?
How do you plan to do it?
JimBeing happy doesn't mean everything is perfect. It means you've decided to see beyond the imperfections....
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15th July 2012, 10:41 PM #143
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15th July 2012, 11:11 PM #144GOLD MEMBER
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You can always exhaust the dust extractor anywhere you want with extra ducting, even above the roof line. Yes, it will add to the ducting length with a reduction in efficiency but it can be done. Building big openings in shed walls is a good idea as most sheds are very effective dust traps. If you have large openings and good cross ventilation it is all good. Me, given the opportunity I would have all sides capable of opening under very wide eaves, tools can still hang off walls that move. That way you could selectively open up the shed depending on weather and breeze. The slab would extend to the eaves giving a good outdoor work area.
CHRIS
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16th July 2012, 07:29 AM #145
Design Options
I would love to be able to open all sides of my shed but limited space and neighbours make it difficult for me.
It think I will use the pergola and lawn in front of the shed for some work. I find it much more enjoyable working outside with plenty of light and less worry about dust.
Good point Chris. The engineer considered the corner posts decoration. I had to go back to him to get a design for the stirrups. all he could understand was a pine framed shed.
I discussed the front beam with the builder during discussions about the sliding doors......after I had the posts standing.
We decided that running the LVL beam from post to post and setting it into the posts was better for me as it gives me more options with the shed front.
It certainly would have been much simpler doing it on the ground.Scally
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16th July 2012, 09:20 PM #146
Beam & Roof Rafters
A long day but the front frame and full 6m width beam are up.
Even included 4 small window spaces above the doors.
Almost finished the roof rafters.
They are heavy buggers. 7.2 m long and 200 x63. The guys didn't hesitate lifting the beam up to a ladder then up on the 3.5m front frame.
It took a bit of time with the layout. The rafters line up with the wall studs to maximise strength.
The bandsaw did a neat job with the birds beaks on the rafters.
The roofing is order and will arrive later in the week.Scally
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17th July 2012, 01:27 PM #147Member
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Awesome, starting to look great.
I would definitely not recommend that you install rollerdoors, they will kill the feel of the whole build. They also have a large head gap which makes them unsuitable in something like this which you want sealed and vermin proof.
I'd be sparing no expense (lets face it none has so far!) and doing some boflds or stacker doors.
It all about open plan these days. Apart from a liveable space it will be a real feature if you ever turn the property over.
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17th July 2012, 08:00 PM #148
Braced Tight & Straight
Yes, thanks. It is starting to take on its own character.
The front sliding doors will have a Barn type character to match to shed and pergola. The roller door mechanism in the garage
I am liking the look of it.
Today was all about getting the frame straight and braced.
Hoop straps across all the walls.
Noggins between all the studs and rafters.
Most joints have bugle head screws to support the nail gun.
Roof battens are on. Nailed and screwed.
Fascia is on.
It was good to see the builder working hard to get the compound mitre neat. I find them a pain on cabinets. Getting two flimsy 7m fascia boards to join neatly must be a big pain.
Next job is a bit of dressing up for the front and side door sliding mechanisms. A bulkhead will go in front of the wall to support the slides and cover them for weather protection. It will look better with the wall cladding extending down past the top of the doors.
I love the way builders handle power tools. See the picks of Mick the builder doing a plunge cut on the rafter and then trimming the LVL rafters while standing on a scaffold board, 3.8m up in the air.
I tried to get him to cut them on the ground but he told me he had a plan........He certainly had no concern about cutting the rafters and battens in place. But I think his plan meant that he would check all the measurements in place, then cut everything straight.
Even watching them walk along the battens and rafters and throwing tools, nails and timber up and down was good to watch.
I need to improve the accuracy of my throwing.
Getting there....Scally
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18th July 2012, 07:02 PM #149
Sliding Door bulkhead and Back Wall
A good day putting up bulkheads for the sliding doors. Plenty of bracing to support the doors.
A bit more bracing for the eaves.
Ready to start the cladding.
Sisalation is on the back wall.
The back wall is on. Easy Lap cladding is 8.5mm thick fibro. It has good fire resistance and provides additional bracing.
The roofing will be picked up tomorrow and we will see how much we can get done on Friday.Scally
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18th July 2012, 07:19 PM #150
Great to be watching this one.
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