I need help: how do you do that??

[six-one-6]

hello all

i need help with this process....i have no idea how you can acheive this with stain

i know the wood use is swamp ash , but as for the finish,,,nada , niet

so please if anyone out there nows how this is done , PLEASE let me know!

[mickelmaster]

I dont know for sure but I dont think thats done with stain, I think thats just the wood and theyve just varnished it or laquered it or oiled it etc.

[six-one-6]

he can do it in alot of colors , look at the white on black......

[six-one-6]

i think it's dye , black dye and it's sanded after.....

[Master Splinter]

I'd say that those are done by laminating together alternating layers of dyed and plain veneer (poplar would be my guess) in a press to build up the blank, and then shaping and sanding to gradually expose the two contrasting colours - looking at some other shots side on seems to confirm this.

The blank may also be laminated on an irregular surface rather than a flat one, to give even more variety to the pattern (instead of a flat press bed, it uses one with a few bumps and dips across it so that you cross more layers when flattening it out).

A fair amount of effort to do, explaining why they are $4.5k!

See also: http://www.newageveneers.com.au/prod...ges/index.html

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

There is a process which involves a tank of water with a paper-thin layer of dye (I imagine oil-based) floating on top.

The piece is fastened to a jig, and slowly dipped all the way down, then quickly raised back out. This forms the top-most ring. It's then slowly lowered in again, but not quite as far, and quickly removed again to form the 2nd ring.

And so on and so on.

I reckon this is probably done by a similar method, perhaps with some substitute for the water?

It ain't as easy as it looks... I was at a demo of the method at a Craft Show a few years back and a woman was dipping wooden and fired-clay handicrafts. It only took her 5 minutes per piece to totally transform them. Amazing stuff!

Then she asked for volunteers to have a go... and no-one got more than one or two rings before screwing up.

[mickelmaster]

Couldnt it also be done by getting a piece of wood with the black parts already then just stained whichever colour because it shouldnt change the black?

[Master Splinter]

I looked at some of the other pics on the maker's site....look at the area where the curve is most pronounced (the pointy bit above the stick-y bit that has the string-y things on it...yeah, I really know guitar terminology). You'll see the distinctive ply layering.

Compare this to the Macassar Ebony or Spalted Maple tops on their 'available' page, these are natural timbers and look totally different.

...and a possible source...?

http://www.colorply.com/Patterns.html#

A two inch thick piece that might be large enough for a guitar will set you back about US$600.

[six-one-6]

i dont know,,,,these plywood thing are....i donno

but i still think that the ash is dipped in black dye , resand (i think the grain in ash ''drinks'' alot more than the rest of the wood.....) after that it's sealed and lacquered.

for the white grain on black:

first it's sealed , than sanded , than dipped in black dye....than lacquered

for colored one's

dipped in black dye , sanded , dipped in translucent colored dye and lacquered

that's how i think it's done

[rightendup]

I agree with SkewchiDamn.
I have a hunting bow with camo finish. It is done by floating a decal on water and then submerging the bow so that the decal wraps around the piece.
Edit: After looking at your first photo I am sure that that is Zebra wood as I am workin in Zebra wood now.
I have used anilyne dye in the past and it could be true wood grain with anilyne.
If the guitar body were cut with the grain in the flat (flat sawn) you would get the same grain pattern as in your pics, then dye the wood and you would have similar results.
Note that wood for this box is cut tangentially. If iwere flat sawn it would look like the guitar body. When I have bought Zebra wood it has come in huge planks from a very big tree.
Apply the stain/dye apply one healthy coat of clear and 'pore fill" the heavy grain (in color of choice) and you would have the finish as per the example pics.

[Lumber Bunker]

I don't think it is either.

I think it is the timber. Ash is open grained. (the black bits) are black grain filler. and then the timber is stained bright blue or what ever.

Ubeaut's stains can achive the colours, just use a black stain mixed into the grain filler.


Other examples.



Raw ash. see the gain pattern. fill it black and then stain the whole thing bright green or pink???