no anzac day holliday

[glen boulton]

vernonv hi
yes i do is the answer. i do feel ashamed that i have to spell these sorts of thing to people.
and yes it is an industrial relations issue and i think the very first question asked to start this was and industrial relations question as well as a heart felt question. so the first reply was a heart felt answer and the second one was a industrial relations answer... i tring t keep a balance.
and no i dont think that this discusion it belittleing anzac. i think we all overwelming agree on that. the discusion's initital question was based around anzac day that why it is in the discusion and yes we we could go to that trench in its day and ask for a day off on the 27th of april 2009 in respect to you guys ...i bet they would have said yes....but if you could ask them did you want to have the day off tommorrow and we will organise a game of cricket and rugby on the beach with the turks. i bet they would say yes as well. so their opinion is more of an emontional argument then an actual fact.. and no i think its great to have a public holiday on the day. thats an easy answer.
i hope this helps you understand just one point of opinoin. and i am very aware that it is not the majority. we are lucky to have a majority rules system in australia. (well we try to be like that anyway...we just have to ask if its ok with the president of the united stats first) ha ha
glen boulton

[glen boulton]

hi silent
i glad we do agree in basis and yes you have got it in one thank you for understanding. i will try to seperate my long winded and antagonising detail answers in future. i agree it is a jumble of words when all together. please i would never take away from anyone about their belifs and if i have done so i appoligise. you are very patriotic why else would you be here now. and i would stand beside you on saturday.

hey ronin
yes that is true... and some people plan it that way too.. thankfully not all go that way... but if a buisness goes broke then that means they have no money left. and some of those guys may loose a weeks pay and some super... but once an administrator comes in the tax is not an issue to the employee and the first thing thats is paid out to the wash up is wages to employees then their super. then it go to personal garentees the company has eg. bunnings accounts, boral etc. the bank overdraft goes onto the employer direct and not the company. the tax is the last on the list depending on the situation. and depends on if the administrator is appointed or if you have called in an administrator. ther is a world of differance their alone. there are exception of course but basicly thats how it goes. this has nothing to do with anzac day or public holidays though.

sorry about the hard core shot
glen boulton
glen boulton

[Vernonv]

Glen,
With all due respect, your posts seem to be so full of ramblings, contradictions and convolutions it's hard to make any sense out of them and I'm not sure it's worth the time or effort to unravel them.
You're not related to Joh Bjelke-Petersen are you?

[glen boulton]

well i am a quenslander and i was once polictly motivated. and yes i ramble. contradiction ??? i just have opinion which im sure differs to others. convolutions??? well put it this way i do give complex answers when asked complex questions but to wite it all down would be hard for me a few beers and bottle of krinklewood red sitting on the verandah face to face i'm sure it would be easier to follow. i apoligise for the confusion i have caused you.
to simlify the answer

1.i agree with public holidays on the day their due

2. i belive everybody is pationate about anzac day for their own reasons

3.i wish there was some sort of government assistance so employers could help make their buisness afordable to the public.

these answers are very general though.
hope this helps
glen boulton

[Bleedin Thumb]

Heres my take on it.
Anzac Day is a bit of a joke because it celebrates what was basically a tactical blunder that cost about 8000 Aust & NZ troops lives for purely political reasons. It also belittles all of the other battles of the western front where we came of age as a nation and heralded the start of a proud tradition of our troops....as Ronin? says remembrance day would be far more worthy.
The only reason that it is celebrated is that it was our first major military encounter as a new nation, pity it was such a flop.

But its a public holiday so call it what you want.

I've been self employed for 25 years so I don't give a toss about public holidays anyway, but I agree it is an industrial relations issue. The reason for the public holiday is no longer any more important than say than the queens birthday.

Its a right of every worker to have it and people should never surrender their rights without a fight....... one of the motivating factors that mobilised so many of our troops I would have thought.

[Big Shed]

Glen, doesn't your keyboard have a Shift key?????

[glen boulton]

yes it does but the opperator has trouble using it...its a modern email world thing... new corperate look.. every thing is done in lower case...not everbody likes it. even buisness cards come out with lower case on names addresses and headings.. its probably a sydney thing. and i'm sure it wil b only a fad that will pass.
i'm just in the habit now days. no offence is ment by it.
gleN boultoN

[Big Shed]

Thank you Glen, I take it the word "modern" in this context is meant (sp) to convey that it is "good" or "cool".

If that is the case, let me give you my opinion of the "modern look", it looks like cr*p.

No offence meant by that either.

[silentC]

i'm sure it wil b only a fad that will pass

It did

Sorry mate, I shouldn't have said anything, I just find it hard to read when it's all in one big paragraph with no capitals. Our brains process the information more easily if there's lot's of white space. On computer monitors, we need even more of it than on paper apparently. You're not the only one guilty of it and I've had to come back and put line breaks in my own posts on occasion after reading them back. I find myself just skimming posts like that and I often miss important details.

[Big Shed]

I find myself just skimming posts like that and I often miss important details.

Don't worry silentC, you didn't miss any in this thread

[Cliff Rogers]

Don't worry silentC, you didn't miss any in this thread

That is because I used line breaks, capitals, punctuation, correct spelling & good grammar.

[glen boulton]

i understand guys and i will take it on board. it is lasiness that makes me do this and also in the arena i play, this is common ground. dont forget that the new building erea that we have entered into in the last 5 or so years has made the modern builder far more leagaly compliant. the building of a project of any size is 15% building 40% safety and the rest is paperwork. long are the days gone of that handshake and pat on the back. nowdays in buisness its who can pull the bigger shots with the better paperwork.
just a short exsample is one contract submitted last year was for a job worth 175,000 and in note form it was submitted in approx 145 page document. once the job was won a further 550 page document was submitted to comply. that is before we even get on site. then folows all the SWMS (safe work method statements) one for each seperate opperation. MSDS(material safty data sheets) for every thing you will use on site.
we had at a mirvac job and a saftey officer ask for a SWMS and a MSDS on our carpenter pencils as they contain lead and they were a hazzardards material. so we had a designated rubbish bin lined with hazard material labeled plastic bags removed daily from site. it was absured.
so now days it is just habit to me.
anyone who has spent their life in the building industry and has got out of it over the last 5 or so years would be amazed at what happens now. mind you i am talking about large contracts probably 70% of our work.
i will try to improve...i promise...but dont hold your breath. as i'm ok with it.
yes there i go again another ramble and detailed answer..which includes more industrial relation problems with the modern company runnings.
as for my spelling i left school in year 8 to get work. being in trade background i can hide behind a hammer and auto spell check. i can say that i'm not perfect..and i'm ok with that.
were we talking about anzac day?????
glEn boultOn

[Big Shed]

Glen, I'm not a purfect speller either, but I actually use my spell checker (it is the modern way, don't you know)

(and yes, the spell checker underlined purfect in red, it does work)

All digs aside, your way of writing is a turn-off for most people, so if you want to communicate and get your message across, that's not the way to go about it.

[glen boulton]

i haven't got this spell check to work yet...i down loaded it but still no evail.. maybe a restart will put it in its place. not that it worries me too much as this isn't going to go to court. i am tring to keep up with technoligy but the base line is i'm still a carpenter/joiner......and proud of it.
all you old blokes will know what i'm talking about. its just when i go to the timber yard and aks for a 90 x45 10 @ 8 ft i alays get that blank dumb look....some habits die hard.
P.S. i am typing slowly so you can keep up.....
gLen bOulton

[silentC]

I usually ask for 2x4 10 @ 2.4