employee rights

[TomH]

Hi Toolin Around,

Could you just discuss with them about how you don't want the new position offered to you and as a result you feel you have no option but to look at external options? This would effectively result in you resigning after an agreed hand over periods.

I worked for a number of years as a recruitment consultant, and so your explaination of why you left there is perfectly reasonable to a future employer. Important to see if you can leave there amicably, as good references are important. If the owner turns on you after the discussion, then use a colleague as the referee and explain to the agency or future employer why this is so.

Cheers,

Tom

[Toolin Around]

Hi Toolin Around,

Could you just discuss with them about how you don't want the new position offered to you and as a result you feel you have no option but to look at external options? This would effectively result in you resigning after an agreed hand over periods.

I worked for a number of years as a recruitment consultant, and so your explaination of why you left there is perfectly reasonable to a future employer. Important to see if you can leave there amicably, as good references are important. If the owner turns on you after the discussion, then use a colleague as the referee and explain to the agency or future employer why this is so.

Cheers,

Tom

I think that's pretty much how I'll try to do it. I'm going to say I don't want the position and here's the reasons why, but not offer any resignation as yet. Then see where it goes. It most likely won't go well as most of the reasons I won't take the position center around the managements inabilities and they're not too good at taking criticism.

[Harry72]

Hit them up for proper accredited training as an estimator... it may scare them out of pushing you.

[Ashore]

Go into negeotation with them ask for a buckel load of money and a heap of other goodies, stall, look for another job while you do and you will proberly pick up a couple more weeks pay

[Toolin Around]

Go into negeotation with them ask for a buckel load of money and a heap of other goodies, stall, look for another job while you do and you will proberly pick up a couple more weeks pay

Stalling is one of the things I'll be attempting - while I look for other work. I'm not good at this sort of game - I'm known for not beating around the bush and saying it like it is, so this will be a new challenge for me.

[Pat]

Matt, if they want you to do the job, then get them to pay for your training. Explain it to the like this" It will be an investment in their company to have you properly trained in the role that they are giving you" If they do not want to train you, just continue turning up and doing your assigned role, while looking for another job, until they tap you on your shoulder or another opportunity arrives

[Toolin Around]

An update.

So I decided I'd play fair. I gave them two weeks notice and quit. Judging by the look on my supervisors face - he was expecting me to take on the new role.

[manoftalent]

Toolin, its your choice, but I have to say I am disappointed .......you have a right to say no...regardless of what award you work under, an employer can ask you to do a task that is "fair and reasonable"...switching careers is not under that heading....I would have stood my ground till the marrow left my rotting bones ...

[mobjack68]

Have you considered going to the source??? I remember some time ago I was in a factory job (USA), assembly line. I thought the boss liked me okay and then we started having squabbles, not fast enuff..too sloppy...not a team player...etc. About two weeks into that I asked to be transferred to another assembly line, same kinda product...granted, less than 3 weeks later they shut down my old supervisors line, he was able to retire and did so, at his party we made amends.....told me he couldn't tell me what was going on, he had signed an agreement, I'm not sure I ever thanked him appropriately, anyway....what if you do a face to face with the boss, OUTSIDE OF WORK, tell him what you are relaying here, if he is trying to get rid of you...no harm no foul, if he needs you to stay because of unfinished work/expertise, etc....maybe you can form an uneasy truce....just a thought

[gator3535]

Here is my 2 cents worth.

Look after yourself. What this means is ... make sure you will get a good referral from these people .. or give them NO reason to say anything bad about you.

The value of a good history the older you get, gets more and more important. It may seem like times are good now and jobs are aplenty .. but it will not always be this way. Make sure you look after yourself with a new job etc but there is nothing to be gained by burning a bridge and much to be gained by acting in a mature, confident manner, giving proper notice and doing everything to gain yourself a good referral. That referal is like an investment for the future.

This advice will become very clear into the future. Don't make a habit of leaving a job on bad terms because you will be building a legacy you don't want and will feel like an anchor around your neck eventualy.

[Toolin Around]

mobjack

The circumstances that arose and the timing put me in a position where the best option was to leave. For me it couldn't have worked out better now that I have the opportunity to look back on it. At the time I was not happy with the unceremonious way in which they approached me, but it was a blessing in disguise.


gator

Yup that would just about sum it all up...