Tradies you gotta love them

[wheelinround]

Wollfie read most of your posts some of the others, including Wongs floor problem the great mathematician couldn't sort this out for himself some mathematician hope he doesnt master in physics.

You were waiting for a delivery why would this be a tradie delivery people are usually just that they work for others employee's.

Then the rest of you who are bagging tradies.
Are you bagging tradies who are employed or self employed.
There is a large difference.

Those employed DO NOT get paid what your paying for the job they'd be lucky to get paid 1/3rd take home pay. True no excuse for shonky work attitude problems etc but having been there when you righting the invoice or getting people to sign a preprinted one and see the charges it brings some times. If these guys are being paid 1/3rd but have to supply their own tools thats less in their pockets and for the family.

Now Tradies who are self employed charge the same rates do the work themselves and keep the cream on top have a single or 2 person partnership him and SWMBO. These rates are set often by Professionals (see below), Trade Organisations all Labor empowered and sanctified thats why we have such as Trade Practice Dept and ACCC.

AWA's have just been killed so then has any chance of competion between pricing for work done. With rising costs and Union push for higher wages its just going to spiral to which the poor tradie has to keep up. Business are telling staff its getting tougher they are putting up prices because fuel is rising other components are rising but the works are being told NO Pay rises, all the while those above are taking home more and more, staff cuts etc.

I don't see professional people doing it cheaper but they still cut corners, try make the best of what they can get out of a job either self employed or otherwise. These same people are the one calling the shots

Now if you consider who's pricing what ask Professionals, Economists, Accountants, Politicians. Who set the work rosters who sorts deliveries times and destinations.

Open your minds and think

[Wongo]

Wollfie read most of your posts some of the others, including Wongs floor problem the great mathematician couldn't sort this out for himself some mathematician hope he doesnt master in physics.

Who told you I couldn't?

[wheelinround]

https://www.woodworkforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=36

In answer to your question in the above post.
Why would you expect them to fix it for FREE ?? You stuffed it you fix it

Me I would point out the matter and leave the choice to you of course announcing the additional costs.

A support would have to be put in place there is nothing like a person who says its just a 5 mins job.

One thing I hate tho is fixing other peoples stuff ups.

Who told you I couldn't?

No one I read it

[Wongo]

You read what?

[Wongo]

You stuffed it you fix it

Wasn't the my point. The tradesman stuffed it, the tradesman should fix it.

[chrisp]

Are you bagging tradies who are employed or self employed.
There is a large difference.

I find this a rather strange argument. Are you saying a "home owner" (to borrow someone else's terminology) should expect a lesser service from an employed tradie and that they should investigate whether a tradie is self-employed or salaried beforehand.

[SAISAY]

Wollfie read most of your posts

You were waiting for a delivery why would this be a tradie delivery people are usually just that they work for others employee's.

The self employed cabinetmaker was supposed to deliver the benchtops HE had made and install them.
When I rang him at the end of the day he said:
"Oh it was raining so I couldn't deliver. Suppose I should have called you!!!"

Understand why I got upset???

When we were in business as painters and decorators we never treated our customers like that, we never had to advertise because our jobs were mouth to mouth advertising via previous customers.

So don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about, k?
Wolffie

[wheelinround]

The self employed cabinetmaker was supposed to deliver the benchtops HE had made and install them.
When I rang him at the end of the day he said:
"Oh it was raining so I couldn't deliver. Suppose I should have called you!!!" Edit you never mentioned that before, now you have been in the industry so to speak would you load and unload in the rain possible self injury and damage to the owners goods and or employee's.

Ws it raining where you were if so sorry but you have just blown it commonsense

Agree totally he should have rang.

Understand why I got upset??? This happens even with Dr's sorry Dr's been called away on an emergency you'll have to come back at another time!!! No phone call and you have spent 2 hrs getting there so dont give me tradies only.

When we were in business as painters and decorators we never treated our customers like that, we never had to advertise because our jobs were mouth to mouth advertising via previous customers.

Wolfie I was the same even tho many occassions i was employed I did the background work here the owner oppertor wouldn't and didn't care.

So don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about, k?
Wolffie

I didnt say you didn't know what you were talking about but you never told anyone else either.

You didn't clarify in the first thread and I only skipped through the rest.

Mouth to mouth also kills many business, often from misinformation.

We had a self employed repair guy coming to fix the washing machine he was returning to finish the job. He wasn't well when he came the first time. After a week i tried to ring no answer left messages etc. Finally got on to his swmbo to find he was in hospital with double pnemonia. He was a top fellow who now can no longer work good pricing and excellent work.

So after all this have you yet got your delivery ??

Is it to your liking and has he done a good job??


Wongo like wollfie you didn't fill in the blanks You is the word you used not He, Him They.
why ask if you know the answer of course they should Fix it for Free

So what did you do??

Did they fix it for Free???

I find this a rather strange argument. Are you saying a "home owner" (to borrow someone else's terminology) should expect a lesser service from an employed tradie and that they should investigate whether a tradie is self-employed or salaried beforehand.

No and I stated such.

True no excuse for shonky work attitude problems etc

Many self employed know like wolfie knew its there good name thats going to get hurt if they don't.

[SAISAY]

you never mentioned that before, now you have been in the industry so to speak would you load and unload in the rain possible self injury and damage to the owners goods and or employee's.
You call them at the end of the day to find out what is happening and they usually have an excuse for not turning up.
What's so difficult with calling the customer and telling them that they can't make it instead of wasting a whole day?
Ws it raining where you were if so sorry but you have just blown it commonsense
No, it was not raining here and it was only raining in the morning where he was but he had another jobto do in the afternoon

I didnt say you didn't know what you were talking about but you never told anyone else either.
Sorry I didn't spell it out but, talking about a tradie and delivering stuff should have been self explanatory. Seems like everybody else understood.

You didn't clarify in the first thread and I only skipped through the rest.
Weeeelll, you can't blame me for your running with half the story.

Mouth to mouth also kills many business, often from misinformation.

We had a self employed repair guy coming to fix the washing machine he was returning to finish the job. He wasn't well when he came the first time. After a week i tried to ring no answer left messages etc. Finally got on to his swmbo to find he was in hospital with double pnemonia. He was a top fellow who now can no longer work good pricing and excellent work.
When my husband had a heart attack I, despite my worrying about him, rang the customers who had jobs booked and explained that he was ill and we had to postphone the jobs. Customers understood.

So after all this have you yet got your delivery ??
Yes, as I said in another thread, it got delivered but we had to install and treat it ourselves because we couldn't wait any longer to use our kitchen

Is it to your liking and has he done a good job??
Yes, it is what I ordered but, as I said, we had to finish it ourselves.

Please tell me if I have to spell it out even more
Wolffie

[Wongo]

So what did you do??
Did they fix it for Free???

Wheelie, this is what happened.

My sister in-law bought a house a few months ago. Before they moved in, FIL asked me to inspect the house and fix a few things for them.

The air con system was installed a long time ago. The previous probably didn't realise there was a problem. I am sure the installer did.

Anyway, I fixed it a couple of weeks ago.

[wheelinround]

Please tell me if I have to spell it out even more
Wolffie

Yes much better Wolffie no pun intended

Guess we have all had it at some stage.

[wheelinround]

Wheelie, this is what happened.

My sister in-law bought a house a few months ago. Before they moved in, FIL asked me to inspect the house and fix a few things for them.

The air con system was installed a long time ago. The previous probably didn't realise there was a problem. I am sure the installer did.

Anyway, I fixed it a couple of weeks ago.

top job to I bet Wongo

Uncle has similar installed at his place in the mountains and similar has happened there no support for the floor boards

So its either the same fellow or common practice

[Wongo]

It is pretty dangerous. The unsupported boards are about 20 cm wide. Although it is along the well but children can easily step on it and it will just collapse.

[Geebung]

It is pretty dangerous. The unsupported boards are about 20 cm wide. Although it is along the well but children can easily step on it and it will just collapse.

This used to be a problem in my house...all of the ducted heating vents were cut into the floorboards just as Wongo illustrated. I have since pulled out the ducted heating vents, added some support and filled up the holes. And each hole was a 20 minute job.

The only reason I found out that there was no support was by standing on the vent to close the curtain when all of a sudden I found myself standing on the ground beneath the floor. The nong that installed the vents just nailed them to the boards. The unsupported boards had nothing to hold them in place except the vent! To me that is just negligence...the person installing must have known that it would be unsafe - how could you not?

[Wongo]

To me that is just negligence...the person installing must have known that it would be unsafe - how could you not?

This is the bit that REALLY gets me. How could you just walk away like that.