Is the climate change debate realy over?

[rod@plasterbrok]

I dont think so according to this.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20707&cid=39&cname=NBR+Comment

Are we kidding ourselves that climate can be altered by man?

This is a must read article.

[Outbackrr]

Good article Rod, and I've read similar elsewhere.

Problem is, those sort of articles don't make for sensational media, hence the popularity of the man-made global warming story.

[echnidna]

but who ? attended the conference
what are their fields of experience and learning?

[tea lady]

Are we kidding ourselves that climate can be altered by man?

"Because there's so many of us", could be the answer. There isn't any bit of the world we haven't got our hands on. Of course its going to be affected. There is no debate between the SCIENTISTS.

[rod@plasterbrok]

Hmm I guess this is a common ploy to often used to attempt to discredit the information.

Given the enormous ramifications of either course of action don't you think it would be better to listen to what they are saying and put their cards on the table so to speak, just so that ultimately the right choices are made.

Rather than just to dismiss out of hand the fact that they just might be right?

There is just way too much hysteria about AGW to be a good thing.

Claims are being made and budgeted for by Governments based entirely on the THEORY of AGW is 100% correct and that the climate models are 100% correct.

When this may not be so.

An open mind surely must be better.

Tea Lady there is a huge debate going on between scientist regardless of what you say the debate will continue especially as there is continues to be no emperical evidence that supports the models.

[echnidna]

Go back just a couple of years and little johnnie and his cohorts reckoned it was crap.
When the csiro eventually told them it was inevitable did the libs accept it will happen

Unfortunately the truth is obscured by vested interests who still haven't accepted it.

The rabid element of the greenies have told as many lies and half truths that we cannot believe them either.

The only ones we can believe to any reasonable degree are the collective scientists.

From my readings of scientific info years ago it seems unlikly to be reversible.
But if we keep wasting energy etc we could seriously aggravate the looming problems.

As I recall governments are using optimistic models instead of preparing for worse scenarios, typical politicians

[fazz]

this issue for me hits very close to home, i am a fourth generation saw miller in n.s.w, in recent months forestry in n.s.w has been turned over to the department of environment and climate change (DECC). as it stands any commercial forestry undertaken in n.s.w from firewood to to sawn timber must sign a property vegetation plan (PVP) a legally binding contract between the landholder and the government, with a complex code of practice (regulations) to be overseen with on site audits, with landholders in our aerier not willing to sign the PVP's fearing that they will be fined by not understanding and complying with these regulations our business has lost it's supply and after 60 year's in the industry our family business is on the verge of closure so much for a LABOUR government as 12 hard workers will soon be out of work. the timber industry as we now it is about to change from wolds best practice to imported clear feel rainforest species. it just does not make sense it's pure political , there's no greater motivator then fear.

[tea lady]

You artical is in Bussiness Review for God's sake. They never want anyone to tell them they can't make as much money as they want. They have just published an artical that their readers want to read, not a balanced well researched true but uncomfortable report. There is no debate among reputed scientists, no matter how much you don't want to here it. Unfortunately they(Big business) still have control of the steering wheel, so the jugaunought ain't going no where but in the poo.

[rod@plasterbrok]

Tea Lady you just dont get it do you. There is a debate there is opposing scientific view regardless of how often you say there is not.

The more things like Fazz describes above happens the more people will start looking at the cold facts rather than exagerated hysteria.

The dabate and scientific challenges to AGW THEORY (and it is just a theory NOT a scientific fact), will intensify as people start to feel the economic pain, whilst not seeing evidence of Global Warming.

Have you ever considered that it MIGHT not be true? Believe it or not at one time I blindly believed all I read in the paper too.

[echnidna]

The scientists are just about totally agreed it is happening.
But they are somewhat divided on the extents and effects of what may happen.

[rod@plasterbrok]

Bob what you are saying depends entirely on who you listen to and believe.

I don't agree with you, more and more scientists are questioning the AGW theory and so they should the stakes are very very high indeed.

[echnidna]

Its some years since I studied it, I only took notice of scientists, no wankers or politicians etc.

[dazzler]

Havent we done this to death Rod

[johnc]

The views of those who do not believe in Global warming are looking weaker by the year, and those who believe are really gathering momentum. Regardless of what you may believe we can not continue to use fossil fuels at the curent rate because we are going to exhaust what we have and we are going to need to develop renewable technology to ensure future generations have a decent standard of living. Like it or not we have to reduce our appetite for depleting the earths resources and the way we consume energy. We really need to stop carrying on about the few think tanks that continually regurgitate this heat cycle rubbish and treat them with the disdain they deserve and start to move towards a more sustainable world.

[rod@plasterbrok]

Yes Dazzler it has been done to death but never the less it is such an important issue that is done to death by the media at every opportunity.

The trouble is that this is a continuing argument that if ignored, will continue to manifest itself into society as it very nearly has done at a huge cost to living standards across the globe.

I see no problem with posting any new information that I feel is relevant.

Cheers Rod