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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers View Post
    Yeap, you'll live longer.
    ???????? LIES!

    i NEVER LIVE LONGER WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF BEING CHEATED WITH SHODDY WORKMANSHIP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    Correct installation methods are all in the installation manual.
    Well I have seen many installation manuals which tell you to do the purge method. A propper tech will evacuate the system suitably using a multistage pump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    How many aircon installers even bother to buy and use torque wrenches?

    Shame! Shame! Shame!
    They don't, at least from what I have seen. With a propper flare, and drop of oil, a fridgy will be able to feel the connection. The correct torque will not make up for otherwise incorrect procedures.

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    You won't if you let it continue to bother you, get over it & move on.
    Cliff.
    If you find a post of mine that is missing a pic that you'd like to see, let me know & I'll see if I can find a copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AV Elec View Post
    Well I have seen many installation manuals which tell you to do the purge method. A propper tech will evacuate the system suitably using a multistage pump.


    YOU MUST BE JOKING. They tell you they supply extra refrigerant for purging?

    Show me those manuals?

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    Well if the manufactorer doesn't honor warrantee using this goo, then I would tell the mechanic to remove the system, and refund the $$. Simple. Otherwise go to fair trading.

    What many people don't realise with AC systems, is dodgy work will often allow the unit to work fine in the short term (albeit not as efficient). The problem is inside the system things are happening, and it could be the difference between lasting 3 years, or 20 years fault free. Think about that when there is a difference in the install quote is a couple of hundred dollars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    YOU MUST BE JOKING. They tell you they supply extra refrigerant for purging?

    Show me those manuals?
    I am not joking.

    I was an AC mechanic for 10 years, but left 6 years ago. Believe me, there are manuals which say that... Not that we followed them, we just did it the old fashioned way. I was predominately in service/maintenance. I would have installed less than a couple of dozen splits.

    I don't even think Artick licence was established then. At least it wasn't inforced as I never got certified. No one ever asked me to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    ???????? LIES!

    i NEVER LIVE LONGER WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF BEING CHEATED WITH SHODDY WORKMANSHIP.

    Interesting!

    Did you take the cheapest quote?

    P

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    Quote Originally Posted by AV Elec View Post
    Well I have seen many installation manuals which tell you to do the purge method. A propper tech will evacuate the system suitably using a multistage pump.


    They don't, at least from what I have seen. With a propper flare, and drop of oil, a fridgy will be able to feel the connection. The correct torque will not make up for otherwise incorrect procedures.
    You are saying you would buy a new car which bolts have been fitted in the factory without a Torque wrench?

    We all earn money honestly and expect a good worker to use the right tools and do a good job for our hard earned money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingmidge View Post
    Interesting!

    Did you take the cheapest quote?

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    No!

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    I am saying I have never seen a fridgy use a torque wrench on a flare nut. I have known dozens of fridgys.

    Torque wrenches were not used on flare nuts at TAFE in either the trade, or the advanced course either. Should I dust off the old notes?

    Not all bolts on a car require a torque wrench anyway...

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    Move on!

    Nothing but posts whinging about air/con, globes and other carp.

    Go sharpen a few chisels or do something with a bit of wood.
    I make things, I just take a long time.

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    before i start i don't to start a argument, but i have never used a torque wrench to tighten up flares on any system and have never had any problems, that is why you are ment to pressure test for leaks. as stated with practice you know when they are tight enough. properly done flares seal really well with out problems..
    but on the original message i would go back to the dealer or to who ever recommened this guy and get a exlenation as to his qualifications and abilitys.. otherwise contact artick.. they are now the regulating body.. best of luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    i DO NOT LIKE AIR-CON INSTALLERS
    Great sweeping generalisation...
    Do you like aircon installers giving you (free) advice when you ask for it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by AV Elec View Post
    I am saying I have never seen a fridgy use a torque wrench on a flare nut. I have known dozens of fridgys.

    Torque wrenches were not used on flare nuts at TAFE in either the trade, or the advanced course either. Should I dust off the old notes?

    Not all bolts on a car require a torque wrench anyway...
    Who was your teacher. Name of your Tafe please?

    http://www.airconditioningadvice.com...hp?p=91#post91

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrob View Post
    before i start i don't to start a argument, but i have never used a torque wrench to tighten up flares on any system and have never had any problems, that is why you are ment to pressure test for leaks. as stated with practice you know when they are tight enough. properly done flares seal really well with out problems..
    but on the original message i would go back to the dealer or to who ever recommened this guy and get a exlenation as to his qualifications and abilitys.. otherwise contact artick.. they are now the regulating body.. best of luck
    http://airconditioningadvice.com.au/...hread.php?t=33

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