Sick of High Paid Teachers!

[Wood Butcher]

AREN'T YOU ALL SICK OF THOSE HIGH PAID TEACHERS??

Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine
or ten months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay
them for what they do... baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That is right. I would
give them $3.00 dollars an hour and only the hours they worked, not
any of that silly planning time.

That would be $16.50 a day (8:45 AM to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch).

Each parent should pay $16.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit
their children.

Now, how many do they teach in a day... maybe 30? So that's 16.5 X
30 = $495.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!
I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

Let's see . . . that's $495 x 180 = $89,100 per year.

(Hold on! My calculator must need batteries!)

What about those special teachers and the ones with master's
degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair, round
it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 times 5-1/2 hours times 30
children times 180 days =$207,900.00 per year.

Wait a minute, there is something wrong here!

There sure is, duh!

Make a teacher smile; send this to someone who appreciates teachers!

(Average teacher salary $54,000/180 days = $300per day/30 students =
$10.00/6.5 hours = $1.54 per hour per student.) Very inexpensive
babysitter and they even educate your kids! Crazy!

[wheelinround]

A defense force personel looks down the barrel of a gun protecting our freedom and gets paid average of $34k for 24/7 hrs doesn't get to spend time with family wears the same coloured cloths day in day out. Gets wet, cold, hot doesn't have A/C access to a staff room to take a break in.

They fly air craft worth millions, drive tanks worth millions and protect lives worth much more

Yet we bicker about getting rid of ANZAC day Remembrance Day.

Hum WB need to revise hours you neglected to take out the time for M/tea 20 mins isn't it, for face to face relief and student free days ( you know those golf days).

You base your hours on a teacher who is in the class room for the whole day/period not TAFE (many who also work outside) or high school teachers who may only have 1 class or have 4 hrs face to face a day but are within the walls for the whole day getting paid.

Aren't max numbers far less than 30.

No mention of the teachers who work second jobs some at private after school tutorial collages.

What of the time students are away on excursions leaving other teachers without students to teach at least 4 excursions a year. (yes some go to supervise same as sports days)

In comparison a contract tradie has to charge $60 an hr and engineer $160 hr a solicitor $280 hr. The difference is that they may only get one job a day not being paid by 30 @$3 per hr.

Wait a minute, there is something wrong here!

There sure is, duh!

Make a teacher smile; send this to someone who appreciates teachers!

(Average teacher salary $54,000/180 days = $300per day/30 students =
$10.00/6.5 hours = $1.54 per hour per student.) Very inexpensive
babysitter and they even educate your kids! Crazy!

A bus driver gets $22 per hr has to deal with up to 80 pax at once 1 hr lunch break 12 hr day, every other vehicle on the road and he's driving a vehicle worth upwards of $250k to 3/4 mill, has everybodies lives at his hands and only gets 4 weeks leave.

[astrid]

and a teacher has to study unpaid for 4 years, and pay HEX fees, add up this unpaid work, lets say 35,000 pa X4 +16,000 hex= $156,000.
devide this by the average 10 years a teacher spends in the industry
(most are women and take years off Unpaid to raise their own kids)
so deduct this $15,600 from their anual salary=about $42,00 PA

They cope with stupid abusive parents and ratbag kids, and understand each childs special needs,
We pay our teachers less than our bus drivers

I think the bus driver is underpaid as is tha serviceman.

The answer is simple PAY MORE TAX
astrid

[Gra]

I think the bus driver is underpaid as is tha serviceman.

The answer is simple PAY MORE TAX
astrid

No Pay the Politicians less

[Tony Morton]

Remember the old saying.
Those who can do it.
Those who cant teach it.

cheers Tony

[Repete]

Tony, too much time on your hands! Go & dry the dishes, there's a good chap. Peter

[artme]

Pay the sods nothing and maybe only the honest ones will stay!

[Bodgy]

Based on WB's calculations of 180 days work a year @ $54k, the average joe works 253 days a year, allowing for w/e and public holidays. So when you look at a teachers salary applied for a normal working year they get $76K per annum.

Some teachers work very hard and get good results, some are useless bludgers (like any other group of people). Why cant we pay the good ones more and sack the bludgers?

Oh yeh, the Teachers Union.

[Wood Butcher]

Based on that logic, if you are going by teacher's results, what if you have a really good teachers but they have really bad students? They will get less money because of their students. Tell me how that is fair!

[silentC]

Why not? I get judged by my results. If I produce crap consistently enough, I get the sack.

There are at least two teachers up at our primary school who I think should be shown the door, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Certainly not having a shot at teachers in general, we have a few up there who are fantastic. But just like any other occupation, there are good and bad - and because we're a small town, we often get the bad.

But I look at it a different way. I think a really good teacher who gets really good results from really bad students should be rewarded.

[pawnhead]

My sister is a very dedicated teacher who has been offered to role of Principal, but she prefers the rewards of passing on her knowledge to the young ones. I'm sure that she'd agree with performance based pay scales.

If they get bad students, then it's just bad luck. I sometimes get a client who's very difficult, and I might get one who'll stiff me on the final payment. In both cases, it's usually the ones with the most money that are the worst to deal with.

[notenoughtoys]

But just like any other occupation, there are good and bad - and because we're a small town, we often get the bad.

I'd never bag members of a profession collectively because as has been acknowledged, there are good and bad in every profession. What I would say after many years of active involvement in my childrens education is that there should be some accountability for teachers as a slack year is a big percentage of a childs education down the drain and also a burden on the quality teachers who then have to try to fill in the gapsdown the track. Unfortunately I feel that the rather attractive conditions (leave) all too often attract candidates for the wrong reason. Yeah yeah, I've heard it all before, they prepare lesson plans, mark work etc in their down time and some genuinely do. In fact I'm in a small town and we wil see one or two dedicated teachers at the school during holiday breaks etc. Now they are truly dedicated teachers and should be rewarded. But far more are playing golf or laying on the beach, why should the sloths in the education system have a free ride on the backs of those who are truly committed teachers?
Probably the most dissapointing thing a Principal said to me when we met to disuss a teachers attitude was that he is really there to manage the school and has very little scope to manage teachers. It didn't take long to work out he was as lazy and unmotivated as the teacher we were discussing, he just wanted as little angst as possible in the few years he had left before retirement, but at who's expense??
In closing I just want to reiterate, that this not a carte blanch attack on teachers but an acknowledgement that there are bad apples in every profession, unfortunately in teaching, it is often painted as an attack on all and dismissed rather then dealt with.

[Bodgy]

Based on that logic, if you are going by teacher's results, what if you have a really good teachers but they have really bad students? They will get less money because of their students. Tell me how that is fair!

A couple of points:

1. I think the kids change every year? If so, its unlikely a particular teacher will consistently get poor pupils.
2. If you do get consistently poor pupils I would imagine that the catchment area for the school is in some way dis-advantaged. I beleive that these 'disadvantaged' schools get extra funding which could be paid to teachers, a sort of hardship allowance.

Either way if one teacher gets consistently better results than others from the same bunch of pupils, that suggests that teacher should be rewarded. No?

[munruben]

I am sure teachers were aware of the wages they would receive before they embarked on that career. If they chose to take up the teaching profession it was their decision. If they considered the pay was so poor, why take it up?

I guess a lot of people in a lot of professions feel they are underpaid but if we were all paid more money, then everything would be dearer because it costs more in wages to produce so its a bit like a dog chasing its tail.

[pawnhead]

I guess a lot of people in a lot of professions feel they are underpaid but if we were all paid more money, then everything would be dearer because it costs more in wages to produce so its a bit like a dog chasing its tail.

You've got a point there.

It may have something to do with the emotions that are attached to the fact that they are teaching our children. It could be compared to the emotions that are attached to any other under-paid profession, such as nursing.

A capitalist economy works on supply and demand, and if a lot of people want to pursue a 'noble' profession such as teaching, then it devalues what they are worth in purely monetary terms. They make a conscious decision to accept a lesser pay, in return for greater job satisfaction.

But being a 'garbo' is no lesser task than any other in this world.
You wouldn't want to drown in your own refuse, that's for sure.