Today school system

[bitingmidge]

The frowns've been trained onto the kids over half a century.

I know this to be a fact. I never learnt to count high enough to tell you how many times I was flogged or tossed out of a classroom for making people laugh.

Any wonder no-one's game any more!

Cheers,

P

[Gingermick]

I spent the whole of year 8 mathematics class sitting on a chair facing the back wall. Getting duster thrown at me every now and again. Twas good fun riling the old bugger

[Sebastiaan56]

The frowns've been trained onto the kids over half a century.

I know this to be a fact. I never learnt to count high enough to tell you how many times I was flogged or tossed out of a classroom for making people laugh.

Any wonder no-one's game any more!

I once got the doorknob with a spitball from 5 rows back, best shot of my life, cost me six lots of the cane but ah well...

My outlaws were teachers. They look at the modern system and tell me that apart from a few fashion items directed by yet another minister, nothing has changed. That said I must say where my boys go is a really bluddy good school. The reason, lots of variety and dedicated teaching staff. Oh, and there is only 180 kids in the school, none of this economies of scale crap,

Sebastiaan

[Bleedin Thumb]

A see a fair few schools for work and I can tell you each one has its own vibe. Some - everyones happy and all is well , others- as you describe.

It is not school culture in general just the individual school. It sounds like the school you metioned needs a makeover or the principle needs Prozac.

[wheelinround]

I guess putting teachers all in the same bunch is like putting disabled in the same bunch.

My best freinds wife is a teacher special ed for deaf kids recenlty she sought my help for stuff she couldn't do and I'd do it again same No Charge. State gumnt should be thankfull professional would have charged 4 figure's.

I saw my own school days, then my 3 kids, plus teachers while I was working some whom I spent a week with. I didn't like what I saw when away, this I almost called headmasters & parents on a few occassions, due to teacher abuse of power. It would have meant my job so in the end I spoke up on the spot to let them know someone was watching and I was a parent. Asking how would they react to their children being treat that way. I got to see this once when a teacher's child was being balled out in front of them what a reaction same as any parent would for the minor thing the kid did.

The best teachers are usually those who have either time out working elsewhere or tradies who have converted and teach highschool I had 3 of the best there metal n woodies at kingsgove & Puncbowl. TAFE teachers who have had some years of experience in the work place are great also.

I can never see why teachers spend so much time preparing work loads when the 3r's have been the same for generations, many teachers still walk in and say open to chapter and do it, marking well thats part of the job requirements if they don't wanbt to do it then go get another job. In my job I had to prepare commentary quite often for somewhere new but once I had done that all I had to do was add or subtract to it occasionaly.......yeh and like teachers throw in a bit of bull.

I and my kids have had some great teachers in our lives but it's the bad ones who make the biggest mark,. Ihad a number of teachers who were alcho's, druggies, off with the faries. The wose thing I see with teachers is character assassignation, the biggest problem, staff rooms become the killer of fine kids.

Teachers are unique I support the good ones whole heartedly.

[SPIRIT]

SO YES THE TEACHER ARE A GOOD LOT, I AGREE
so how come schools are turning out so many kids not ajusted to life in the 21st century,one child falling though the gaps is bad ,how many have to slip though before the crim rate rises to a unmanagable level
is that then there will me some real money put back into eduction

[SPIRIT]

A see a fair few schools for work and I can tell you each one has its own vibe. Some - everyones happy and all is well , others- as you describe.

It is not school culture in general just the individual school. It sounds like the school you metioned needs a makeover or the principle needs Prozac.

l also see a few schools for work do you find the lower eco area have sadder faces

[wheelinround]

SO YES THE TEACHER ARE A GOOD LOT, I AGREE
so how come schools are turning out so many kids not ajusted to life in the 21st century,one child falling though the gaps is bad ,how many have to slip though before the crim rate rises to a unmanagable level
is that then were will me some real money put back into eduction

Not sure if I agree with "teachers are a good lot"
Teachers could be teaching them crime is the biggest pay packet just look at B Gates stole our souls.

[Wood Butcher]

so how come schools are turning out so many kids not ajusted to life in the 21st century,one child falling though the gaps is bad ,how many have to slip though before the crim rate rises to a unmanagable level

Yes socioeconomic societal levels have a lot to do with it, and if you spend the time there are hundreds of academic articles about it. Also, I believe that the parents have a lot to do with the child's attitude towards school. There are parents that spend a lot of time making themselves interested in their child's education and generally these children do well.Then you get parents that don't have the same interest and the child's scholastic enthusiasm wanes.
There are other reasons though, this is not the sole reasons. I have textbooks here 2 inchs thick that are solely devoted to the psychology of adolescents and the reasons behind their thinking. There are many reasons and the teachers do play a small part in this, but it is an unjustified statement to say that it is the teachers fault!

[SPIRIT]

seems to me that some kids just can not take things in the normal way ,working from a black bourd ,sorry white bourd and most kids mainly boys between 13 and 16 can't think at all there is way to much stuff going on in thier head other than school work
maybe at this age they should take time off school and work under a mentor and come back when they are ready to learn.

[Sebastiaan56]

seems to me that some kids just can not take things in the normal way ,working from a black bourd ,sorry white bourd and most kids mainly boys between 13 and 16 can't think at all there is way to much stuff going on in thier head other than school work
maybe at this age they should take time off school and work under a mentor and come back when they are ready to learn.

I think this is very sensible, have a greenie. Brain size shrinks during adolesence, but its when the greatest pressure for marks, future, careers, etc are dumped on the poor kids. For me adolescence was a time of full on rebellion, only got a bit better in my late 20's.

The acid question "apart from socialisation and perhaps basic numeracy and literacy how much did you learn that you couldnt have learned elsehere?"

I always hated school, still do I suppose,

Sebastiaan

[Bob38S]

Hmmmmmmmm, think about it

If you can read this...

If you can comprehend this...

If you can reply to this...


Somewhere along the line,

perhaps, you should consider,

"Thanking a teacher"

[wheelinround]

Yes socioeconomic societal levels have a lot to do with it, and if you spend the time there are hundreds of academic articles about it. Also, I believe that the parents have a lot to do with the child's attitude towards school. There are parents that spend a lot of time making themselves interested in their child's education and generally these children do well.Then you get parents that don't have the same interest and the child's scholastic enthusiasm wanes.
There are other reasons though, this is not the sole reasons. I have textbooks here 2 inchs thick that are solely devoted to the psychology of adolescents and the reasons behind their thinking. There are many reasons and the teachers do play a small part in this, but it is an unjustified statement to say that it is the teachers fault!

This is so true socio-economic has a great deal to do with it.
It means the blinkers handed out by parents from the uppercrust are much bigger,just look at todays roll models of the lime light grabbers.

Teachers have more respect generally for higher income brackets and cirtain proffessions.I have seen a number of teachers put in their place by self made parents, seeing many lower socio-economic's rise to heights beyond teachers.

While the finger is always pointed at those with less, the general hob knob is getting away with much more illegal stuff. Of late a judge who didn't want to admit he'd broke the traffic laws, a number of company directors all from the right side of town who are now serving jail terms for a number of broken laws. A Premier who was working directly for a major corperation, an oppostition leader who since being a kid was just one step away from the law due to his temper. law breakers come from all walks of life.

I have my grandparents (two of which were from the right side of the track but turfed out from their biggotted famlies) aunts uncles mother and father to thank for reading writting and comprehension because they all taught me there is more than one way to interperet anything.

[Bleedin Thumb]

Nah I don't buy that socio economic stuff (besides a lack of funding for most public schools) the "vibe" of the school is dependant on the internal culture that prevails. This has more to do with the management of the school and the attitude of the teachers just like any other work place.

Kids can be just as miserable going to Toff's Grammar, its just that the grammar school has better resources and attracts better staff I guess.

I think it is wrong to tar all public schools in low socio-economic areas with the same brush, some I'm sure are fantastic, vibrant and fun places producing well ballance young adults - I wish my parents sent me to one of them.


EDIT and Bob - Thank a teacher..... thats taking things too far!

[Gingermick]

Teaching is a stressful, woefully paid job. They deserve more thanks.
I'll thank mine.
If it wasn't for my teachers I would have been a drop out, no hoper, druggie, scumbag, criminal.

Actually, that sounds like a cross between a politician and an advertising guru called siiimon.