Today school system

[SPIRIT]

started helping out in a high school and have found everybody looking like this
Teachers look like this
The kids look like this
The principal looks like this

where are we doing it wrong

l say bring back the Tech schools ASAP

[munruben]

Talking of faces like this have you ever watched people who play the pokie machines in the clubs, not one of them has a smile on their face.Everyone of them looks like this
Maybe they are all teachers.

[Barry Hicks]

Australians DO believe in education, Spirit. A professor earns more money in a year than a professional sportsman can earn in a whole week.

[silentC]

Things haven't changed then. Most of the people at school when I was a kid were like that. Maybe you were the lucky one.

[wheelinround]

Things haven't changed then. Most of the people at school when I was a kid were like that. Maybe you were the lucky one.

I agree silentC

Could it be that regulations have become so overrought (spelling?)

Smiles were only on kids faces when there is a way of getting out of school work.
Smiles were only on teachers faces when holidays were coming...... wouldn't you if you got 3 months pay for doing not much.

could be for teachers that 3 months holiday and 9 to 3 work hours just is too much to handle, pupil free days, and staff development days.

LOML's many class mates became teachers most have quit, been classified unsuitable, moved interstate to become teachers or stressed out that much they now are on permenant paid leave.

[MrFixIt]

started helping out in a high school and have found everybody looking like this
Teachers look like this
The kids look like this
The principal looks like this

where are we doing it wrong

TOO MANY changes, too may *new* ideas that DON'T work etc, etc.

The MOST important teaching IS STILL the three R's, reading 'riting and 'rithmetic. If these subjects are well taught, the rest follows so easily. However, today there are sooo many obtuse courses within the curriculum, that I often wonder how many are relevent to today's kids.

It is a shame that sooo many kids cannot do BASIC mental arithmetic. It is also a shame that sooo many cannot spell or construct a grammatically correct sentence. (I hoep I did'nt maake two meni misteaks hear )

Haven't you noticed how easy it is to confuse a checkout operator by offering additional money AFTER the cash register has calculated the change!

Can you imagine how BAD written communications will be with the rise of SMS messaging? I know someone that recieved a CV written in the same abreviations as those used in SMS messages. Hmmm? that applicant did NOT get the job!

l say bring back the Tech schools ASAP

YESSSSS! I agree. I recieved a great education in Technical College in Liverpool UK. The education, though having a bias toward technical training in manual trades, was STILL a strong proponent for the basics, ie English and Maths. There were also other "normal" subjects such as language (French), art, music, history and Geography.

I honestly believe that I had a better education in my day than those kids of today. I think there is probably too much pressure to learn too much that is not necessarily appropriate and therefore the absorption of the *basics* is diminished.

Discipline and respect is required of students to both their parents and teachers. This is another lost trait, there is no discipline these days.

What a farce it is to have pupil free days WHat they're saying is a NO EDUCATION DAY, that's a joke. Kids are NOT getting a good enough education as it is, so why waste time by giving them another day OFF!

[SPIRIT]

Mate, it was like kids gaurding thier step ,you drive past in your car and the look you get.
l did it hard at school with my great spelling and all and to boot l was one of the worst fighters in a low ecernomic area

Munruben maybe we are makeing the new breed of pokie players

barry wish l was good at basketball like wongo

Silent,C schools seem to be shutting down with hard kids ,they kick them out in a form of herassment and suspention,so they all end up in one school ,where if each school worked on it the load wouldn't as great on the system

Wheelinaround its the hardest job l have come a cross ,give teachers more money ,and it will improve the teachers ,,,l am not a teacher by the way

[SPIRIT]

TOO MANY changes, too may *new* ideas that DON'T work etc, etc.

The MOST important teaching IS STILL the three R's, reading 'riting and 'rithmetic. If these subjects are well taught, the rest follows so easily. However, today there are sooo many obtuse courses within the curriculum, that I often wonder how many are relevent to today's kids.

It is a shame that sooo many kids cannot do BASIC mental arithmetic. It is also a shame that sooo many cannot spell or construct a grammatically correct sentence. (I hoep I did'nt maake two meni misteaks hear )

Haven't you noticed how easy it is to confuse a checkout operator by offering additional money AFTER the cash register has calculated the change!

Can you imagine how BAD written communications will be with the rise of SMS messaging? I know someone that recieved a CV written in the same abreviations as those used in SMS messages. Hmmm? that applicant did NOT get the job!


I honestly believe that I had a better education in my day than those kids of today. I think there is probably too much pressure to learn too much that is not necessarily appropriate and therefore the absorption of the *basics* is diminished.

understanding and respect is required of students to both their parents and teachers. This is another lost trait, there is no understanding these days.

What a farce it is to have pupil free days WHat they're saying is a NO EDUCATION DAY, that's a joke. Kids are NOT getting a good enough education as it is, so why waste time by giving them another day OFF!

THE 3Rs what if you just can not keep up ,as l couldn't,where do you fit in

AND YOU SHOULD NOT MAKE FUN OF SOMEBODY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS YOU its called bullying

yes to much pressure for some,some maybe thinking about, are they going to sleeping on the street tonight

changed one word twice

9 to 3 that is a joke and when do we keep them trained up to teach our kids

bring back tech schools as soon we get peaple to teach in them

so there

[Gingermick]

9 to 3 work hours .......pupil free days,

My parents were both teachers so I can tell you that teaching is not a 9-3 job. My mother was always marking assignments and preparing class plans and doing heaps of other things at home. Dad was deputy principal so he was always home later and forever organising things.
As well as that, teaching is the most important job in our nation. Fark the guviment, if we dont have well educated children to do all the jobs in the future we will all be fwarked.

[SPIRIT]

My parents were both teachers so I can tell you that teaching is not a 9-3 job. My mother was always marking assignments and preparing class plans and doing heaps of other things at home. Dad was deputy principal so he was always home later and forever organising things.
As well as that, teaching is the most important job in our nation. Fark the guviment, if we dont have well educated children to do all the jobs in the future we will all be fwarked.

well said my good man,well said

[Wood Butcher]

If you want the right to criticise teachers, then you try doing the study and then the paperwork devising work programs and dealing with kids that don't want to be there and pleasing all of the regulations and parents..........

I am sick of people bagging out teachers when they have no idea what teachers do.

I make a rule that in any class I take that the students are to first have a good time and then learn something (and they do work together). If you can make them enjoy being there than they are more likely to learn. Not every teacher is the same, but that is my rule.

[Wood Butcher]

What a farce it is to have pupil free days WHat they're saying is a NO EDUCATION DAY, that's a joke. Kids are NOT getting a good enough education as it is, so why waste time by giving them another day OFF!

There is a hell of a lot of work that is needed to be done on those days and four a year barely allows enough time to get it done!

[Daddles]

The MOST important teaching IS STILL the three R's, reading 'riting and 'rithmetic. If these subjects are well taught, the rest follows so easily. However, today there are sooo many obtuse courses within the curriculum, that I often wonder how many are relevent to today's kids.

Do you have anything to do with modern kids and their learning? Quite frankly sunshine, as a father of a 14 year old and a 6 year old, one in a public high school and one in a private primary school, I can say that you've got no idea. None at all. Yes, there is a lot of other stuff that is taught, but the kids of today are far better educated than you were. The basics, the 'three R's' as you like to refer to, probably not realising the appalling misuse of the language in doing so, are well taught along with a lot of other stuff you probably have no concept of.

Leave the teachers alone. They've got a bloody hard job with an overly full curriculum and they're doing a grand job. Anyone who thinks the 'basics' aren't being taught is not only out of touch, but utterly unaware of the appalling use of the language among the middle aged and older members of society, as evidenced by this forum.

Richard

[silentC]

My missus recently did a semester of tuting at a local uni campus. The tutes were 3 hours once a week. She spent at least 10 hours a week preparing for them, marking assignments, answering emails and doing administration. The hourly rate seemed fantastic on the face of it but she ended up working for less than the minimum wage.

[SPIRIT]

So it seems, that teachers do a good hard thankless job ,my word they do,
so where is it going wrong ,where should the eduction system be heading,

to fit understanding into a teachers day the system needs a over haul

so which modle do we follow ,????