Cigarette Smoke Detectors

[Groggy]

Where I work you can't smoke within 10 metres of a doorway or anywhere near the airconditioning units. On cold days sometimes visiting smokers huddle near the entryways and the smoke is sucked into the building. Usually within minutes there are calls down to the guards to move them away. (then they huddle near the aircons )

[corbs]

Where I work you can't smoke within 10 metres of a doorway or anywhere near the airconditioning units. On cold days sometimes visiting smokers huddle near the entryways and the smoke is sucked into the building. Usually within minutes there are calls down to the guards to move them away. (then they huddle near the aircons )

Defence policy is no smoking within 10 metres of any opening to a building. Opening is defined as door, vent or window which is not sealed shut (closed is not sealed). Usually the Defence force policy echos some sort of civillian standard so it might be worth looking into. Then we get the idiots who lean against a pole with a bl00dy great no smoking sign on it and light up outside the gym.

Good luck...
Corbs

[Honorary Bloke]

It's legal. Either outlaw it completely or let it be.

[ptc]

Reformed smokers give me the !!!!!!

[rrich]

He: "Do you smoke afterwards?"
She: "I don't know. I've never looked."

[bitingmidge]

It's legal. Either outlaw it completely or let it be.

Not here it isn't.... unless you're miles away from anyone or anything.

Oh and as someone who for years put up with other peoples smelly exhalations.... non smokers have rights too! I have a right not to have my sinuses affected thanks very much!

Cheers,

P

[Ray153]

I think the unit you might be refering to is a VESDA unit. Essentially a very sensitive smoke detector. From the little I know about them, I don't know how effective they are in larger areas with substantial air flow. They are often fitted in prison cells or police station cells as the air flow is not great and you don't want fires in those sort of places.

Pretty sure that they don't come cheap though and they have to be calibrated annually and monitored by means of a fire panel. They aren't the sort of thing that you buy and stick a 9v battery into.

However, even if the smoke detector goes off, the difficulty remains in establishing that the alarm was set off by the air entering the building from outside.

If you have to resort to this sort of action then, perhaps there can be an argument that things are getting just a little bit ridiculous.

Having said all that, I am going out to get rid of all that fresh air that insists on hanging around my house.

Yes, I smoke and just a little fed up with getting continually pushed into cormers by a society that is more than happy to spend the tax dollars I contribute through my legal use of a legally sold product...........

[echnidna]

ditto Ray

[bitingmidge]

Yes, I smoke and just a little fed up with getting continually pushed into cormers by a society that is more than happy to spend the tax dollars I contribute through my legal use of a legally sold product...........

But you can only drink in corners, why isn't that a problem???

Personally I like to have a good wee every now and then, and I'm a bit fed up with getting continually pushed into cormers by society as well!!

Give us a break!! You're welcome to do whatever you like where ever you like as long as I don't have to share it with you.

Cheers,

P (who would be a much happier person if his mum had let him have a V8!)

[Honorary Bloke]

Not here it isn't.... unless you're miles away from anyone or anything.. non smokers have rights too!

Now Midge, it's no use pretending to be thick. You know very well what I meant.

These ciggie discussions tend to turn into a right stoush, and no one wins or has their mind changed. So no vituperation on my side either.

My point is only that if they are allowed to be sold, they must be allowed to be used in some reasonable way. They are not banned outright because: A) it probably wouldn't work; and B) they generate a generous revenue stream which is to the pollies like flowers to a bee. B is more important than A.

Growing up (in the Dark Ages, I admit) smoking just was. In the service the smoking policy was "smoke 'em if you got 'em." Cigarettes at the base Exchange were $1.10 a carton. Men's club parties were called Smokers.

Then, after the first 40 years of my life, it started: smoking areas only; no smoking inside the building; no smoking within 2 metres; no smoking in the pubs (in Victoria, anyway)--now that was going just a bit too far. But okay, live and let live I say. Just please, everyone (and I'm not talking to Midge at this point, who has been quite civil) stay civil and reasonable and quit looking for new ways to punish smokers just because you can. That road may very well lead to a place you won't want to be in future, when someone bans your favourite meat pie or beer.

I absolutely agree non-smokers have rights too. We all do. Let's try to play nice together.

[Buzza]

OHS&W have an answer to this. If workers think there is a danger from chemicals or pollution, there is a procedure to put in place. After bringing it to the attention of your safety officer and the company management, push them for a controlled test.

This will be done with devices setup in the "correct" area, (not a different area to where you want it done). The devices will run continuously recording the atmoshpere without interference from anyone. You must all agree as to where the device is put by a qualified industrial chemist (no less will do). The chemist should not be an employee or staff member of the company.

If you are right and cigarette smoke is detected coming through the seals, you probably will not be told the results, and instead, you may well be sacked for some misdemeanour not related to this complaint of cigarette smoke.

If you are sacked, you will find access to those tests will be almost impossible for you.

I know, as I did this with a pollution of dangerous dusts. OHS&W did nothing to help me afterwards.

[dazzler]

Yeah, leave the poor smokers alone we have been discriminated against, banned, looked down upon and generally abused not to mention exiled to outdoors. I say its time to stand up and be counted what is proposed here is harrassment and not to be condoned but condemned.
Rant over

I enjoy urinating. Mind if I come to your office and urinate on your desk. .

Its just passive urine you know.

[echnidna]

but does it smell?

[Iain]

[dazzler]

but does it smell?

Smells sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, with tannin overtones and a woody finish