David Hicks

[Greg Ward]

1. Hicks wanted to have an adventure.

2. He wandered around Europe and Asia with various friendly (a) terrorists or (b) freedom fighters (Choose your own terminology)

3. He got caught up fighting on the wrong side against the Yanks.

3a. Ooops what an adventure life is!

4. He is lucky to be alive

5. Unlike others at G Bay, if released, he probably won't seek to return to Asia to take up his (a) terrorist or (b) freedom fighter activities, but like other at G Bay, there is however a chance he may want to return to the fray, so he will be kept out of the fighting by being locked up until his friends in The Taliban becomes a political group only..... which may take time

6. Therefore like others at G Bay he will stay locked up to keep him away from any potential return to fighting in Asia..

7. He may stay locked up for a while yet

Regards
Greg

[coastie]

I watched "The falling man" last night on ABC tv.
What a stark reminder this was of just why the yanks are fighting this war!
I think its gonna get down to us and them (Christians v Muslims)the way it's going!!:mad:

[dazzler]

I watched "The falling man" last night on ABC tv.
What a stark reminder this was of just why the yanks are fighting this war!
I think its gonna get down to us and them (Christians v Muslims)the way it's going!!:mad:

Hi Starkie

your right, it may very well get down to us and them. That is why debate and keeping our eyes on the ball is so important.

What started all this? A nutter living in a cave who has a fundamentalist belief in islam, and the shonky deals that the west made with him to fight battles on thier behalf.

A nutter in a cave, who deserves to be dealt with, and a nutter in the white house with no idea how to deal with him.

Those poor people in the towers died not because of Islam but because of these stupid deals with a nutter.

Just like WW1, a war started by a small amount of stupidity that built until what the initial beef was about was well and truly forgotten.

The sad thing is that the country that spawned 96% of the 9/11 bombers has been totally left in peace, while the country that had 100% of nothing to do with it is reduced to rubble.

The saddest thing is that a split between Islam and Christianity is being fed by nutters on both sides.

Sad times ahead.

[dazzler]

Wow

He just plead guilty.

I was wrong all along

[ozwinner]

Wow

He just plead guilty.

Funny how mental torture can do that do a person huh?

Edit: I dont know if hes guilty or not and I dont care either way.

Al

[Sturdee]

He just plead guilty.

I don't think this proves anything, and not whether he's guilty.

I think this is part of the typical American practice of plea bargaining, whereby you plead guilty (guilty or not) and get an agreed sentence. So it may well be a minimum sentence and taking into account time held in custody be out very shortly. Quite understandable on Hicks part so that he doesn't face another 5 years while the yanks work out how to try the detainees.

So rather than remark on Hicks guilt or otherwise reflect on the American system of justice where this pernicious system of bargaining for your sentence involving the prosecution, defence and judge is common. Many people plead guilty in these kind of circumstances as they cannot afford to defend themselves or the time taken to get justice is way too long.

So wait until it is clearer rather than pontificate or pass judgement.


Peter.

[ernknot]

On "holiday" in Afgahnistan, photographed with a rocket launcher on his shoulder and caught in a terrorist cell. This does not require any pontification to understand his stupidity ( I am being kind). The media has most certainly distiorted the whole scenario just to get ratings or flog fish and chip wrappers.

[dazzler]

On "holiday" in Afgahnistan, photographed with a rocket launcher on his shoulder and caught in a terrorist cell. This does not require any pontification to understand his stupidity ( I am being kind). The media has most certainly distiorted the whole scenario just to get ratings or flog fish and chip wrappers.

Or

Training with terrorist camp

Photographed with a rocket launcher in Bosnia during that fight (lets not look under that blanket as there are a few aussies involved in that one)

and

Protecting an abandoned tank with an AK47

[Kev Y.]

I am well and truely OVER David bluddy Hicks.. He was caught red handed doing something his country was against.. even if it was on the say so of George dubbya.

He appears to have displayed a lack of judgment in what he wanted to be involved in.

Then just because he is/was an Australian citizen we, the taxpayers of australia, are expected to dip into our pockets AGAIN, to help bring this moron home!!

What really gets right up my nose is that WE supposedly paid for his damn father to fly to see him

Were we consulted No Bloody way.. And NOW just because he has decided to plead guilty, we may get to have him back here for the term of his incaseration! I dont think so!.

More of my damned hard earned dollars going out to feed some useless P%^@K and house him for however long he will be in prison..

STUFF IT, between this clown and those other cretins in prison in Bali, I have absolutly NO sympathy for any of them.. I was taught to take resonsibility for my actions.. just what are we teaching people like this

Sorry IF I an ranting but enough is enough

PHEW [rant mode off]

[Grunt]

If his guilt was so obvious why did they give him a fair trial in reasonable time frame?

The military commission is a kangaroo court. They got the only result that was acceptable to the US government.

[sundowner]

Yep, thats right, just a littlr kid who would have cheerfully killed Aussie troops and just a little kid who was part of a regime which is one of the most inhumane on the face of the planet..... Sod the "little Kid", I hope they keep the piece of ##### right where he is......... or perhaps if he was shot "attempting to escape"

Lucky little shyte,pleads guilty and still keeps his head

[echnidna]

Lucky little shyte,pleads guilty and still keeps his head

After spending 5 years in the modern equivalent of a mediaeval dungeon complete with torture facilities many (if not most) people would plead guilty.

THE obsecenity about Hicks is that he was held in prison without ANY charges being laid for 5 years.

So the moral of the story is that if someone with power decides to dislike you they can lock you up without any fair hearing for the duration of their pleasure.

[johnc]

This isn't about David Hicks so much as about American Justice. The whole idea of having a prison on Cuba is to make sure that real American Justice cannot be applied.

This is all about the right to torture, and to use processes that strike directly against any idea of international justice. It is purely revenge using sadistic and brutal methods against people who are denied any right to prove their innocense or guilt.

The idea that an Australian government would allow one of its citizens to be caught up in this mockery of a legal process shows that our politicians couldn't give a stuff about us as individuals and lack the moral integrity to speak out against injustice. We have become apologists for the Bush camp of right wing nutters, who incidently have proved themselves hopelessly inadequate in Iraq

Regardless of what Hicks deserves this process proves nothing other than the superiority of Amercian beligerence against justice and reason.

John.

[martrix]

here, here John.

[DavidG]

What John said.