Help. WHAT DO I DO.

[makka619]

HOW am I suppose to know that this UNobvious line means they have changed the design plans on me?

What do I do? I am so mad. I asked the guy when he came around to measure for the cupboard if there would be a dividing wall between the cupboards. He said no. I asked specifically a few times, because I did not want this. I would have kept looking for someone who could do it without out it, or I would have changed the plan entirely.

I called him up and he said that on the plan there is a line and I should have known that he changed it to add a wall in one cupboard space. I asked him why he did not tell me. NO EXPLANATION except that was the only way it could be done; WHAT did I think they would hang the door off? He asks.

I ask him why he comes around and measures cupboards and tells me he can do it this way, if in fact he can't? Doesn't he know how the cupboards need to be made? He tells me not to go around throwing insults. I tell him it's a simple question. I want to know this. Why didn't he call me, put off making the cupboard if he had to, just to let me know that what we agreed on couldn't go ahead.

He pulls out the drawing and says, there is an extra line there, WHAT did I think that was? pfft how am I suppose to know this. It is a tiny line, that I DID NOT NOTICE. As if I would have looked at it and thought, hey there's an extra line, it must mean they are putting a wall in there.

It was suppose to be 800mm in the half cupboard hanging space, that joins to the next two full length hanging space cupboards. It is pointless having the half one when it is single and a wall between. Just doesn't work, why I asked specifically not to have it.


Mind you the 800mm is a couple of cm off.

I AM JUST SOO MAD, I don't know what to do.

[silentC]

Yeah but what do you expect them to hang the door off?

[makka619]

Yeah but what do you expect them to hang the door off?

Honestly, you can't be serious. Why would I ask if they could do it without a wall, if I was to know and thus expect how the door needs to be hung.

Not funny.

[silentC]

Well, without actually seeing what you're ranting about, it's hard to say.

It's OK to carry on about it but either he didn't understand you or he's made a mistake in saying it can be done that way and discovered later that it couldn't. Point is, it's immaterial what he might have said, the fact is you need something to hang the door off. You can get upset about it, or you can change your plan, or you can go find someone else who can do it the way you want. It probably needs a mullion or a face frame or something to hang the door off. Or maybe sliding doors would solve it.

[makka619]

Well, without actually seeing what you're ranting about, it's hard to say.

It's OK to carry on about it but either he didn't understand you or he's made a mistake in saying it can be done that way and discovered later that it couldn't. Point is, it's immaterial what he might have said, the fact is you need something to hang the door off. You can get upset about it, or you can change your plan, or you can go find someone else who can do it the way you want. It probably needs a mullion or a face frame or something to hang the door off. Or maybe sliding doors would solve it.

Okay, but in my rant did you miss that I asked him if there would be a wall there? That he told me no. That I asked him a few times specifically because I do not want one... oh and if he was wrong AND he did not know, does that not mean he should call and let me know when he discovers that he can't do it the way I want?

For the bolded bit, yes, if I had been told that he had to put a wall up, then I would have had the opportunity to go and find someone else who could do it the way I want or change the plans.

It has already been installed. WITHOUT notification of the change. He won't fix it now. Sliding doors won't help.

[martrix]

Do a scan of the drawings in question (or take a photo of them) and post them up here.......then we can advise.

[silentC]

Ah, you neglected to mention that last bit. Well, in that case, you can either dispute it with him and tell him it's not what you wanted, not what you asked for and not what he agreed to deliver.

Obviously he either didn't understand how important it was to you, or he assumed you'd get over it.

[silentC]

He won't fix it now

Have you paid him for it?

[makka619]

Paid 50% deposit.

Here is a scan of the drawing. I will take a pic of the actual cupboard and post.

[journeyman Mick]

Makka,
from what I can see, there's two points where a misunderstanding has probably arisen.
1) You not being conversant with symbols etc used in plans. The plan clearly shows that there are two seperate units, the smaller unit having one door and the larger two.
2) The cabinetmaker may have thought that when you asked if there was to be a wall between the two units you were asking whether there would be a stud frame with gyprock either side, or perhaps a brick wall or whatever your house construction is. Strictly speaking there is no "wall" between the two units, just the components that make up the units. Semantics? perhaps.

Let's just suppose for a moment though that he had built it as one unit instead of two, which would have made it an absolute bastard to transport and install and probably more expensive. He would have had to fit a mullion instead to hang the door from. This would still not give you clear access from one section to the other so I really can't see what you would have gained besides an extra 32mm of cupboard width.

I would have built it eactly the same way. Possibly I would have gone to more trouble to ensure that I understood what you were saying and that you understood the drawing, but if you'd asked me to make it with a mullion instead of two seperate sections I would have explained that I would need to asemble it on site and that it would cost you more.

Mick

[martrix]

see pic..

It looks like the partition is on the drawing which you signed off on?

Is the cabinet one piece, or two cabinets (a thin one and a wide one) scredwed together?

[silentC]

The other problem you would have there is support for the shelves above. 1500 is a bit wide to span with no intermediate support.

[JDub]

Sorry makka but if your referring to the 'line' that matrix has drawn an arrow too, to me its pretty obviously a wall/divider of some sort.... I know very little about design plans and cupboards but it sure looks like a wall on the plan to me.........

[SilentButDeadly]

With that door arrangement, I'm knackered if I can see anyway of getting away from the divider over the drawers between between the half height and full height wardrobe area without risking:
a) the stability (and therefore lifespan) of the left main door; and
b) the weight capacity of the top shelves.

Of course, Old Mate CabinetMaker could have put a small riser in there to carry the hinge instead of the complete divider but would that have made you any happier?

[martrix]

There are most definitely ways of doing it the way makka wanted, but all of them would definitely cost more than what he paid for what he got.

Why was it so critical to have the space open?