Continuation of SLR / Steyr discussion from Triton Board

[Stuart]

I'ts a bit hard to throw an M1A1 over your shoulder, they weigh about 70 ton, yes old ton. An M1A1 is an Abrahms Tank.

True....but it's got a gas turbine for an engine - how cool is that!

[black1]

S'ok Termite. Black1 is a bit confused. A sandgroper supporting croweaters...

actually a croweater in exile in the west
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.

[Termite]

actually a croweater in exile in the west
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.

Great, well throw your M1A1 over your shoulder and go and visit Zed, he's having trouble with a possum.

[Dan_574]

spent 4 years using the steyr, I found it great, only ever carried the slr with blanks, I tell you what, you can have it. Big bloody thing it was. I think it was mentioned earlier but the SS109 has the same punch as the 7.62, it has tungsten rod in the head that causes it to tumble and stay in the body effectively turning it into mush or so was told by an NCO at singleton. We used it out to 600m, never had any troubles with it in training. we should have gone with the m16a2 when we changed over.

[Shedhand]

actually a croweater in exile in the west
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.

I bet you barrack silently at Subi... lol.... Must be lonely (and dangerous) being the only crow tragic over there.
Cheers
go the HAWKS.

[Clinton1]

SS109 has the same punch as the 7.62, it has tungsten rod in the head that causes it to tumble and stay in the body effectively turning it into mush or so was told by an NCO at singleton

Yep, the round tumbles and breaks up, with the penetrator rod going one way and the jacket breaking up even further. You can get shot in the lower leg and the jacket will mush that part up and the penetrator ending up exiting somewhere weird like under your armpit. The penetrator seems to find the path of least resistance and often travels up arteries and veins, causing effective damage. The smaller and faster the round the more damage and shock it causes.
Another reason the 5.56 mm round was brought in (and yes the 7.62 had real knockdown power) is that the 5.56mm is less likely to exit and cause damage to anyone else. Handy for UN style peacemaking missions i.e. shoot the baddie using the marketplace crowd as a shield, and you don't want to kill the next two people behind them. That would equal a manslaughter charge, and generally be bad for business with the locals perception of you.
Also the Steyr is small and therefor good for urban ops and vehicle ops (actually the carbine version is more accurate as the rifling is most efficient over that barrel length) as well as jungle and close country fighting. A 7.62mm needs a longer barrel, so a longer weapon, therefor more unwieldly.
Lastly IMO (again ) it is effective out to 600m, and thats too far away anyway. More, easily, accurate (funny term that) than using iron sights at 600m.

[womble]

I dunno, I still like my old three-oh, must be all the wood on it maybe?

Good for when you run out of ammo, you can use it as a club! Try that with plastic!

[Termite]

Both the 5.56 and the 7.62 have their advantages/disadvantages. The velocity of the 5.56 has massive stopping power with less chance of collateral damage, but due to its velocity it is less effective in a bushy situation due to the fact that it can self destruct on impact with a very small shrub, where the lower velocity 7.62 will punch on through. Personally I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of either, it's not pretty.

[Andy Mac]

I used to shoot the SLR in the RAAF back in the '80's. Always found the recoil hard to handle but I was a scrawny thing back then!
Wasn't there an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automatic version as well?
Cheers,

[doug the slug]

Wasn't here an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automativ version as well.

Yeah there was, with folding bipod legs, and a heavy barrel, they made 30 round magasines for it and i think the sights were different too

[Exador]

Yeah there was, with folding bipod legs, and a heavy barrel, they made 30 round magasines for it and i think the sights were different too

It was called the AR and it had a barrel 5kg heavier than a SLR and a bit longer IIRC. It was a real bitch of a thing to carry at 15kg, especially trying to do fire and movement.

[Bluegum]

Stillthe L2A1 was a good weapon as it provided the section with a back up auto matic capability. It was normally issued to tail end charlie as his weapon of responsibility. Now with the F88 it gives more fire power though all members having automatic fire. Having experienced the use of all section weapons over the years the F88 does have its place. The m16m4 is now being issied to spec ops units as preference. I must admit though I like 7.62 as a section weapon in the form of the M60. Its stopping power is 2nd to none. With the F88 a 203 grenade launcher can be fitted as well to give a harder hitting force when in contact. My thoughts only and no I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of either of them.

[havenoideaatall]

I used to shoot the SLR in the RAAF back in the '80's. Always found the recoil hard to handle but I was a scrawny thing back then!
Wasn't there an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automatic version as well?
Cheers,

Had to make sure the stock was the right size (length) too. Did the Aussie SLR have auto? British ones didn't, there were stories of people putting matchsticks in the sears to convert them temporarily.
Blokes in the Falklands were grabbing the Argy ones which were full auto.

[Termite]

Had to make sure the stock was the right size (length) too. Did the Aussie SLR have auto? British ones didn't, there were stories of people putting matchsticks in the sears to convert them temporarily.
Blokes in the Falklands were grabbing the Argy ones which were full auto.

Back in '63 we had auto and semi-auto, initially the infantry got the full auto, and us Artillery types got the semi-auto. If you saw what we did with a 105 you would understand why.

[black1]

I bet you barrack silently at Subi... lol.... Must be lonely (and dangerous) being the only crow tragic over there.
Cheers
go the HAWKS.

theres actually a crow supporters club over here! must be a lot of displaced croweaters over here lol