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[TassieKiwi]

I think everyone should have to do advanced driving course to get their licence.

Agreed

In relation to following distance, nobody (including me) keeps sufficient space these days. The two second rule is a good guide, but next time you're out, check yourself and a few other cars around you. NO ONE keeps a two second gap.

Dan

...I do. They tell us you should also keep watch on what is happening 10-12 vehichles in front. Trouble is, here that sometimes is 50km, which is somewhat difficult.

[Greg Q]

Having had the advantage of growing up in real-life skid school (Canada), I bought a car-control class for my wife. She, like almost every other driver in the world, had been taught 'road rules' only, never vehicle control.

She was powerfully impressed with plowing through cones and cardboard pedestrians, and the skid pan.

My daughters are going to get a 'performance' driving course before they ever get a chance to use their "P" plates.

Greg

[rrich]

Here we drive to the right, so a right turn on a red light is usually permitted IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO. This evening, I'm the second vehicle in a right turn only lane. The traffic light is red. There is NO CROSS TRAFFIC.

I'm sitting there, waiting.
I'm sitting there, waiting.
I'm sitting there, waiting.
I'm sitting there, waiting.

The person in front of me is oblivious to the right on red rule. Oh well.

I'm sitting there, waiting.
I'm sitting there, waiting.
I'm sitting there, waiting.

Finally, a motorcycle is coming through the intersection. The person in front of me decides that it is the time to go. Right turn on red! Motorcycle swerves. Motorcycle and car miss each other less than a meter.

[ozwinner]

Yeah Ive heard of that right on red rule. :eek:

Its scary.

Al :eek:

[Greg Q]

I'm sitting there, waiting.

Finally, a motorcycle is coming through the intersection. The person in front of me decides that it is the time to go. Right turn on red! Motorcycle swerves. Motorcycle and car miss each other less than a meter.

Yeah, we have that sport here, too.

For real atrocity I recommend a drive on one of our freeways: Motorcyclists pass between cars, driving on the lane markers. I'd love to see 'em try that on the 405

Greg

[ozwinner]

Finally, a motorcycle is coming through the intersection. The person in front of me decides that it is the time to go. Right turn on red! Motorcycle swerves. Motorcycle and car miss each other less than a meter.

With this rule who is at fault if they collide??

Al :confused:

[Ian007]

With this rule who is at fault if they collide??

Al :confused:

AL, its you

EVERYTHING IS YOUR FAULT AND DONT YOU FORGET IT

[Shedhand]

I think everyone should have to do advanced driving course to get their licence.

In relation to following distance, nobody (including me) keeps sufficient space these days. The two second rule is a good guide, but next time you're out, check yourself and a few other cars around you. NO ONE keeps a two second gap.

Dan

Tulla Freeway mate:mad: . Whenever I fly to Vic and hire a car at Tulla I risk my life. On any weekday between 4 and 6.30pm if you're on the freeway you have no choice but to speed...because everyone else is. If you attempt to slow down to the speed limit they tailgate and blow horns at you:mad: . Pull over and let them pass, I hear you say. Yeah right. I'd never get to the city. And onother thing. Don't the powers that be realise what a serious distraction advertising on freeway overpasses is. Here in Tasmania its banned. I remember once driving down the Tulla Fwy and having to look it Jeff Kennett's sneering visage all the way in.:eek::eek::eek::mad::mad: I often wonder how I didn't have a major accident.:mad:
Anyway, good grab of the d*ckhead in the safeway incident.

[Greg Q]

The driver stopped at the light only can proceed if the way is clear. If he collides with another vehicle, the charge is "failing to yield right-of-way". At least in the jurisdiction where I served (Ontario). The charge is basically the same everywhere.

I think that it makes fewer problems than you might otherwise think, and I have often wondered why we don't have a left turn on red rule here. Just like a roundabout, only stopping first.

Greg

[ozwinner]

and I have often wondered why we don't have a left turn on red rule here. Just like a roundabout, only stopping first.

Greg

I have pondered that in the past too, if its clear turn left.
Ive actually seen a few do it.
But the collision thing has me worried.

Al

[ozwinner]

AL, its you

EVERYTHING IS YOUR FAULT AND DONT YOU FORGET IT

I know that, no need to rub it in, unless you use KY heat gel then your forgiven.

Al

[ozwinner]

Tulla Freeway mate:mad: . Whenever I fly to Vic and hire a car at Tulla I risk my life. On any weekday between 4 and 6.30pm if you're on the freeway you have no choice but to speed...because everyone else is. If you attempt to slow down to the speed limit they tailgate and blow horns at you:mad: . Pull over and let them pass, I hear you say. Yeah right. I'd never get to the city. And onother thing. Don't the powers that be realise what a serious distraction advertising on freeway overpasses is. Here in Tasmania its banned. I remember once driving down the Tulla Fwy and having to look it Jeff Kennett's sneering visage all the way in.:eek::eek::eek::mad::mad: I often wonder how I didn't have a major accident.:mad:
Anyway, good grab of the d*ckhead in the safeway incident.

You need to head down the Western Ring Road at 6.00 am, when its dark, cold and wet.
Driving me yoot Im above the traffic and can see for frickin miles.
One day these 2 doofie ( plural for doofusus) were chasing one another.
They were lane swapin like it was a game of Chicken Run.
They were leaving mm's between themselves and the cars they were overtaking.
This went on for miles.
They gained about 2 metres from when they had started.

Al :mad:

[Greg Q]

I have pondered that in the past too, if its clear turn left.
Ive actually seen a few do it.
But the collision thing has me worried.

Al

With increasing fuel costs and worries about greenhouse gas emissions, there may end up being pressure to change some of these laws. Anything to expedite the flow of traffic should be encouraged. Left turn on red is one, limited red turn arrows is another.

I have a frequent 0530 sit at a red right turn arrow with no oncoming traffic. That's simply unescessary in this age of cheap processor control.

[Greg Q]

You need to head down the Western Ring Road at 6.00 am, when its dark, cold and wet.
Driving me yoot Im above the traffic and can see for frickin miles.
One day these 2 doofie ( plural for doofusus) were chasing one another.
They were lane swapin like it was a game of Chicken Run.
They were leaving mm's between themselves and the cars they were overtaking.
This went on for miles.
They gained about 2 metres from when they had started.

Al :mad:

There is a freeway in Ontario that my adventurous wife refuses to drive on. The last time we spent four hours on it, stopped three times to assist at catastrophic multi-vehicle accidents. The minimum speed to avoid being rear-ended is, and I'm not kidding, 135 Kph. Right after one visit there was a sixty car pile-up not far from my parents' house. Petrol tanker right in the middle of it. The fire got so hot that several cars were melted into shadows, and the reinforcing rods in the concrete melted.

I've changed my mind about my daughters' driving education. They aren't getting licences.

[oges]

Finally, a motorcycle is coming through the intersection. The person in front of me decides that it is the time to go. Right turn on red! Motorcycle swerves. Motorcycle and car miss each other less than a meter.

Often get the same in Canberra with the round-a-bouts, especially the big ones, you see a car waiting as you make your way around it then when you are getting close they then decide to enter the round-a-bout.