Wheat farmers

[echnidna]

Reckon the wheat cockies must be mad as hell about the (alleged) crims who have been running the A.W.B.

A wheat cocky especially wouldn't feel good if he had a kid in the forces in Iraq at the moment.

Wonder if we'll see a goverment fall.

[Ian007]

yep one hell of a mess is this.
there will be some very upset farmers thats for sure.

[Wood Butcher]

Was watching an interview friday morning with johnny howard. He did every but answer the very straight forward questions in realtion to this BS. I do not believe for a second that there wasn't someone in the government who knew about this. I feel sorry for the farmers in the middle of this and also those who rely on the farmers for work. (For example I have a mate that does contract harvesting.)

I don't if this will cost the government its place, I don't like John Howard but I sure as hell don't like the alternative! :eek:

[Bodgy]

Bob

Paying 'commissions' is par for the course doing business in the non Western world, and to a lesser extent in the western world. All trading partners with Iraq paid these 'commissions' and continue to do so.

Yes, its immoral but consider the consequences to our wheat farmers, country towns and domestic economy if we refused to pay whilst the Seppos, Canadians and everyone else did.

Yes, its was wrong but we don't live in a perfect world.

The contracts were worth many hundreds of millions of $$. The war is all about trade, oil and G Bush's need to do what his father failed to do. Morality is a luxury not seen in geopollitics nor commerce.

Our guys were just not so sophisticated as their competitors, and our domestic political foes are not concerned with morailty just staying in, or gaining, power.

Does anyone think Fat Kim would have done anything either? Does our National prosperity outwiegh giving a few bucks to Saddam's low lifes? If we upstandingly refused to pay, do you think someone else would not? Out farmers are basically unsubsidised, the Seppos live on huge Gov handouts. Halliburton rules Iraq, VP Cheney is an ex President of the coy! No- surely not. Halliburton hands out all the sub contracts now, and will be vigorous supporting Cardinal Rudd and Fat Kim - not cause it offends their honest business practice, but so their Seppo brothers will pick up future wheat deals.

Poor and honest? Sounds good but not very realistic, I think.

[DavidG]

Got to agree with Bodgy.
Anyone who has done business with the middle east or asian areas knows that wheels need to be greased or nothing happens.

The game at the moment is the shifting of supply from Au to US.
Nothing more.

[Glenn_M]

Agree with Bodgy and David. I used to trade commodities with Middle Eastern, Asian and South American countries. It's all about the money - ethics, morality and honesty have no place.

This is not the first nor will it be the last. Happens all day every day.

No point in getting rid of Johnnies mob over this (plenty other reason maybe). No one will do it any differently, no one is willing to take the loss.

Don't have to like it but it is what it is. Good to see it in the media once in while. Let the average Jow learn what a dirty place it is.

Cheers,

[Ian007]

Got to agree with Bodgy.
Anyone who has done business with the middle east or asian areas knows that wheels need to be greased or nothing happens.

The game at the moment is the shifting of supply from Au to US.
Nothing more.

I had not thought of it in this light, but it does make sense.

[redwood]

i agree with bodgy david and glenn. anyway election time is still along way of and by then the voting public wont have the same feeling about this as now. even now their dosnt seem to be that much public outrage except for the usual anti american/howard haters. token heads will roll, but its a storm in a wheet silo, it will pass

[Ashore]

I have been on ships trading in the middle east asia and indonesia was the worst by far for bribes
Persian gulf comes a close second , waited several hours at kuwait airport because no stamp, the ships agent arrived money passed hands stamp appeared.
This system has been in place for thousands of years , BUT It doesn't make it right , the yanks are now wanting Australia out of the new contract negotians for the next wheet sales to Iraq so they can fill the gap themselves

The thing that has angered me the most in all this is some yank senator coming to our country and demanding a please explain fron Australian Government Representatives. Demanding interviewes with our officials, where did our government get with protests against lamb subsidies in the US, imagine an Australian Senator going to the states and Demanding a meeting with the us congressmen who passed the bill to explain why they voted as they did.
Since I started to write this I see several others have posted sorry if I've doubled up on what anyone else has said.

[Termite]

In SE Asia there is no bribery, however there is a thing called SOP which stands for Standard Operating Procedure................usually about 10%

[Glenn_M]

In SE Asia there is no bribery, however there is a thing called SOP which stands for Standard Operating Procedure................usually about 10%

Exactly. In many (most?) places it's not bribery - it's business.

In this case, I think Bodgy hit the nail fair and square. The US want the business for their own domestic wheat farmers. I don't know what the subsidies are like these days but if they are as high as they were a few years back and with the US free trade bloc is growing, the farmers need to export some wheat. US domestic productions subsidies would be bleeding Bush's administration (but not the family in Texas) dry.

The international trade game is really interesting. Scary, but interesting. I would love to know what is really happening. Doubt we ever will.

Cheers.

[bitingmidge]

Don't forget that grain is sold on the futures market, just to make it all a bit more complicated.

Stuff delivered today has been sold a decade ago, with often many changes of hands in the interim.

Work that out!! :confused: :confused: :confused:

P

[Tonyz]

I work with the farmers beleive me "NOT HAPPY JAN" is a bloody under-statement esp. the crap prices they get paid because AWB have a monopoly on the whole market. Now the dickheads that supposedly run the co. want a 33% increase in their pay. SHEIT heads will roll..... it may take time but we aint heard nothing yet. Tonto

[Shedhand]

Crossing the palm is a way of life in middle eastern society. Western culture just adapts. My big beef with JWH and his cronies in Canberra is that he expects us to believe he knew nothing. What a load of hogwash. I worked in the 'Big Pile' in Canberra for 6 years and I know for fact that the leaders know everything that is going on.
Every morning the depatmental advisers arrive to brief the PM or other high ranking Minister and when they finish the 'official' briefing the leave without the Department Secretary who then provides the 'unofficial' briefing. Its during these 'unofficial' briefings that the black stuff is discussed. :eek: Its never minuted or recorded. They know and they lie when they say they didn't know.
A leader who doesn't know what is happening around him or her doesn't deserve to lead. Off the soapbox...
PS: you know they're in deep doodoo when they trot Lexi Downer out to defend the indefensible.

[craigb]

Did the transaction go like this?:

"Hey mate, How much is a bag of wheat?"

"$100"

"O.K. How about if I give you $110 and you give me a bag of wheat and $10 back? How would that be?

" O.K. Sure. If you like"

So who has paid the extra $10?